Quote (942767 @ July 01 2012,17:03)You asked me if I believed because I believed that the beginnings start with Genesis 1, and yes, I do. I do not have any scriptures that say differentlyJohn 1:1-3 speaks of an even earlier beginning – one BEFORE all things were created by God through His Word, right?

Quote (942767 @ July 01 2012,16:54)He said: “Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad”, and he was talking about himself as he appeared to them, that is as a man, was he not?And what makes you think Abraham wasn't shown Jesus' day by God 2000 years before Jesus was made flesh?Surely John was shown things that had not yet happened…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 01 2012,16:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2012,01:14)Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,20:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:14)Marty,Is it scriptural that John the Baptist called Jesus “the Lamb of God” – even though Jesus wasn't literally a lamb?  YES or NO?Yes.Hi Marty,And is it scriptural that Jesus is called by the name…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup,It seems to me that Satan was still included among the “sons of God” who presented themselves in Job 1 and 2. This was after he tempted Eve in the garden.But that is a good question to ponder: Are the angels who have rebelled against God still “sons of God”?

I'm sorry to hear you had a bad day, Charity.

Yep. That was some funny stuff. Also, I put my mom's name into the O.B. link and heard the song. I have no clue what they needed to apologize for, but it was funny.

Btw Gene,You didn't really address my point from before.  When you hear that Adam lived in the Garden of Eden before being tossed out of it, don't you just naturally assume he lived there as a sentient person?

The scriptural evidence is plentiful, Gene. You just won't allow yourself to see it.When are you going to answer the questions in the Beelzebul thread?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2012,11:13)As you quoted verse 58…> Most truly i say to you , Before Abraham came into existence , I have been Where do you see in existence as a sentinel “being” there, you are forcing the text to say what in fact it is not saying,Yes Gene. If it is said that Adam EXISTED in the Garden of Eden, then I naturally…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2012,23:29)No, you made the only important aspect the point I was making. Ancestry certainly doesn't literally designate anyone as an actual parent because theoretically all humans alive are children of Adam from that viewpoint.And?   Asana, we are all sons and daughters of Noah, and in turn, Adam.  The Jews are all s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,22:37)Mike,Where does it say “Father” in 1 Timothy 6:15? This could very well be speaking of the unity who is God of gods and Lord of lords.Isn't it you who says “context is king”, Kathi?1 Timothy 614 keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,22:33)Mike,Who is the begotten theos?Was the begotten theos nailed to a cross?The begotten god is the Son of the ONE and ONLY Most High God.And yes, the only begotten god died on a tree. But the ONE and ONLY Most High God Jehovah, who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them, did not.God so loved the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2012,08:21)The word “BEFORE” is better rendered as, “Before in GOD”S WORD” then Abraham was. Jesus was simply saying before Abraham was mention I was.Hi Gene,John 8 NWT57 Therefore the Jews said to him: “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,21:27)He was “in the form of God when he went into his ministry here on earth”.Marty,Paul wrote his letter to the Philippians years after Jesus had been exalted to heaven. So your understanding that “form of God” referred to when Jesus was ministering on earth requires “existing in the form of God” to be a past tense…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2012,23:27)Mike;Each time the Word of God is mentioned in Scripture is means the Word that comes out of Jehovah's mouth. This includes Revelations 19:13. Jesus is called by the name of that which comes out of the mouth of God.And is Jesus literally a word that God spoke, or a person who is called “the Word of God”?…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,20:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:14)Marty,Is it scriptural that John the Baptist called Jesus “the Lamb of God” – even though Jesus wasn't literally a lamb?  YES or NO?Yes.Hi Marty,And is it scriptural that Jesus is called by the name “the Word of God” – even though he is not literally a spoke word from God?…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2012,16:33)Jesus is clearly saying he is not the son of David. What you also fail to understand is the usage of the word son usually meant “servant”You have the right idea, but the wrong word.  The word in Acts 4:30 is “pais”, which means “boy”, and is often used of servants.  Have you ever heard in a Mexican r…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2012,16:21)Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,16:06)BD,John 1:18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.You say no one has seen God at any time so you agree that the disciples never saw God they saw Christ Jesus.You see even according to the scripture…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,14:41)Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2012,03:52)The bottom line is: men are not called Angels;T8 says they are in John, but he has yet to produce the goods.I'm still waiting to see some evidence of the claim – 'men are called Angels' – so far he has produced next to none.And how about my point? Is a spirit messenger of God…[Read more]

Touché, Pierre.