So? I've learned since then. Besides, I don't remember what you said before. Please lay out your understanding of those two verses for me.

Marty, how does being foreordained before the world began prohibit Jesus from also existing as a sentient person before the world began? Btw, that's not even close to a direct and honest answer to the question t8 actually asked.

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2012,20:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2012,07:39)Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2012,18:34)Mike;Both that which comes out of the mouth of God and Jesus are called by the same name.  Jesus is not that which comes out off the mouth of God…………….So at least once in scripture (Rev 19:13), the phrase “the word of God” is NOT…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 02 2012,19:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2012,08:48)Quote (942767 @ July 01 2012,16:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2012,01:14)Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,20:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:14)Marty,Is it scriptural that John the Baptist called Jesus “the Lamb of God” – even though Jesus wasn't literally a lamb?  YES…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 02 2012,18:32)So, Mike, nice try but the word is singular. That makes two distinct theos who sit on the one throne of God and together reign as one.Matthew 23:25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence.Is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2012,18:34)Mike;Both that which comes out of the mouth of God and Jesus are called by the same name.  Jesus is not that which comes out off the mouth of God…………….So at least once in scripture (Rev 19:13), the phrase “the word of God” is NOT referring to that which comes out of God's mouth, but to the person Jesus…[Read more]

I agree with Ed. The first 7 are man-made, while the last three are God made.

I have no clue why you're even talking about “authority”.  The Greek word “morphe” means “outward appearance of a person or thing”.Jesus was existing with an outward appearance like that of God when he was a spirit being, but then took on the the outward appearance of a lowly servant by being made into a human being.  Humans are “a little lower t…[Read more]

Gene?

I understand it as Satan came along with the other sons of God who all came to present themselves before their God. I don't see any reason to think Satan crashed a party he wasn't invited to.

Quote (942767 @ July 01 2012,18:14)Yes, Paul was writing about Jesus in his ministry on earth, and so, it was in the past relative to when Paul was writing…………..Fantastic, we have agreed upon something finally.  So, now we both agree that “existing in the form of God” is PAST tense.Phil 2 6 Who, existing in the form of God, did not…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 01 2012,16:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2012,01:14)Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,20:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:14)Marty,Is it scriptural that John the Baptist called Jesus “the Lamb of God” – even though Jesus wasn't literally a lamb?  YES or NO?Yes.Hi Marty,And is it scriptural that Jesus is called by the name…[Read more]

jammin,You are confused about “nature”.  A very strong gorilla can beget a weakling gorilla.  That weak one could go on to beget the strongest gorilla that ever lived.jammin, is God Almighty the most powerful being who has ever existed?  YES or NO?

Quote (Lightenup @ July 01 2012,23:38)Mike,People saw Jesus according to the flesh. Paul couldn't see Jesus on the road to Damascus because He was surrounded by inapproachable light.Yet Stephen was able to see heaven opened up, and Jesus sitting at the right hand of THE GLORY OF God. He could see Jesus, but not God.And 1 Tim speaks of the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 01 2012,23:29)Mike,In this scripture, how many 'theos' are on the throne in this passage since you agree that the Son is the ony begotten theos and you know that He is also called the Lamb.Your question is flawed because you think John speaks of one throne. He speaks of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2012,02:00)I hold this interpretation is flawed even though Paul's choice of words make it seem reasonable.  I am using it as an example of how false inferences can be drawn from a passage.It not only seems reasonable, Kerwin, but it is supported by MANY other scriptures.  So you must ask yourself what PERSONAL reason you h…[Read more]

David has hit the nail on the head.  If indeed the messenger in question is a human messenger, then “angel” is not an appropriate title for him.  In the parallel accounts t8 is showing, it seems evident, but not completely sure, that it is SPIRIT messengers of God who are meant.  The account in Matthew 28 sheds more light on the subject:Matthew 28…[Read more]

He “told” him? Or “showed” him? It seems you are calling them both the same thing. My question is: How do you know God didn't show Abraham the future when Jesus is on earth like He showed John the future in Revelation?You really don't, do you? So your last point to t8 is null, void, and a diversion from the fact that Jesus said he existed…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 01 2012,17:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2012,09:54)Quote (942767 @ July 01 2012,16:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2012,01:14)Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,20:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:14)Marty,Is it scriptural that John the Baptist called Jesus “the Lamb of God” – even though Jesus wasn't literally a lamb?  YES…[Read more]

Yep.