Okay Ed, Indulge me, for I have not a clue what you're talking about.

Ed,God gave Gene his own FREE WILL to believe whatever he wants – even if that belief contradicts many clear scriptures.

Sure.

Hi Ed,I think it is clear from the discussion I'm having with Frank that I believe “through” is the correct translation.Do you have a scriptural reason to think “on account of” is correct? Because I wonder how the dinosaurs, etc. were made “on account of” Jesus if he wasn't even around to enjoy them.

Quote (Lightenup @ July 07 2012,15:03)Hi guys, thanks but I have gone through the door; I stopped long enough first to get to know who Jesus was though. Try it.And where were you on your way to when you went THROUGH the door? Was the door your destination?Jesus is the gate, Kathi. Jehovah is the good pasture. We, the sheep, go through the…[Read more]

And why are we even talking about this right now in this thead?

Ed, adding (the AKJV Bible) into scriptures doesn't prove you're right, does it?Tell me about 1 John 5:7 in the KJV. Why do they have words in their Bible that weren't in any ms until the 14th century?

Kathi, I think this thread is for trying to figure out WHERE these delusions came from.  Do you remember the exact moment when you started believing that the Son of God was the God he is the Son of?  Were you reading the Bible, and a particular scripture seemed to clearly speak of two Most High Gods?  Or did you learn this from men first, and TH…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 07 2012,16:56)Pierre,Like I said, it is a popular deception you have there. Truth is really quite simple…really!Jehovah is still both:God of godsANDLord of lordswhether or not the Lord of lords serve the God of gods, Jehovah is still both, NT and OT. Deut 10:17For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the…[Read more]

Yet for US, there is but ONE Most High God, the Father, and one Lord, God's servant Jesus Christ, who was appointed as Lord over us by our God and his God. He is the head of man, as his God is the head of him.You too can be part of that “US” if you are willing to put your personal wishes aside and let the words of the scriptures teach you.

You're right Kathi, I believe t8 overlooked your particular delusion that our ONE Most High God actually consists of TWO Most High Gods working together as a unity.Yet for US, there is but ONE Most High God, the Father, and one Lord, God's servant Jesus Christ, who was appointed as Lord over us by our God and his God.  He is the head of man, as…[Read more]

Thanks for that bit of info, complete with your own opinion of which one is good and which one is garbage.  I find it interesting that the NKJV has a different text than the KJV – seeing that the experts who translated it ought to have known at least as much as you do on the subject.  Why then did they change “perfection”?Oh, that's r…[Read more]

It wasn't “my” joke, Kathi. My co-worker read it on Facebook, showed it to me, and I copied it here. I thought it was funny because it highlights how cocky and sure atheists are that God doesn't exist, when in fact, you could fit on the head of a pin the things they truly know about why we are here, where we came from, and how things really…[Read more]

Matthew 2410 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.How do you know you're not being deceived by this book, Colter?(And btw, I thought “Urantia” was the name of the planet that space aliens such as Jesus and Satan came from. I wasn't being…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2012,13:03)………..so Kathi needs to follow Jesus and go through him to get to know “GOD” and stop calling the door the destination.Amen. I have made that point myself to Kathi, Keith and Jack before. Why go THROUGH Jesus to get to God if you've already reached God by reaching Jesus? But I love the…[Read more]

I don't understand you, Colter.  You are quick to imply that the books of the NT are doctored by men, but just as quick to accept, without question, the teachings of some book about space aliens.   And you seem to want us to trade in the scriptures for the teachings this other book.

Your question is answered in 2 Thess 2:11, Pierre.

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 06 2012,20:12)Mike,So, did Tertullian as a Trinitarian like the word “by” or “through” as a translation of the Greek word 'dia'? Do you believe his choice of either translation would have had any repercussions in his being a Trinitarian?I believe his acceptance of the “through” translation points to it generally being…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 06 2012,23:16)the way I understand those scriptures is that Christ his sending the message via messengers (man )so that all what they do or think can be judge from Christ and corrected if they obey,I agree, Pierre. My OPINION is that Jesus referred to human messengers in these verses, not spirit messengers.