Luke 22:31“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat.Gene, was this an adversarial spirit from God asking God to sift the Apostles as wheat?

Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2012,21:34)Mike,for you to say this shows us that you do not 'get it' still. Maybe you should reread this thread carefully.Quote But for you to say that Jesus being Lord over other lords makes him the same being as his God, who is also a Lord over other lords (including our Lord Jesus), makes no more sense than me saying…[Read more]

Kathi,This is Joab speaking to his lord, King David:2 Samuel 24:3But Joab replied to the king, “May the LORD your God multiply the troops a hundred times over, and may the eyes of my lord the king see it. But why does my lord the king want to do such a thing?”And this is a soldier in Joab's army speaking about Joab:2 Samuel 11:11And Uriah said to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2012,21:32)BTW, what scripture has God 'appointing' the Son as 'Lord'…………You keep saying that He was appointed as Lord but I don't see it in scripture. Is this a manmade doctrine of yours?Acts 2:36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and C…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 09 2012,18:49)Mike,this was your error:Quote (mikeboll @ 64)You are not allowed to change the Bible's “OF” to “IN”, just so it suits your own man-made doctrine, are you?What error?  We were never discussing whether or not Jesus was in the Father, Kathi.  We were discussing how Jesus could be the Son OF God Most High, and a…[Read more]

So that's it, jammin? You apparently CAN'T show me any mention of a “family tree” in the Hebrew text, since none exists.And the part you quoted from Gill wasn't even the part of the verse that speaks of the ORIGINS of the one Jehovah will send. But that's okay. The rest of us here can see that you can't defend your doctored translations. (Btw,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2012,18:28)Philippians 2King James Version (KJV)6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:The verb “being” is present and yet had resulted in him choosing to take the form of a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2012,18:35)To all;Deuteronomy 29:18King James Version (KJV)18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the Lord our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;What does root mean in this…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2012,08:50)Isa 11:10….> And in that day there shall be a “root” of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.Isaiah 11:1There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, And a Branch shall grow out of his roots.Gene, does this scripture…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2012,22:03)Mike,Can you please admit that you were in error in what you said here now that I have shown you that He is 'in' the Father as well as 'of' the Father?How does quoting your words verbatim constitute an “error” on my part?   Nor did I ever doubt that Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in him.  After a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2012,22:00)Mike,How about not adjusting my statement. Just deal with it.So then shall we just ignore all the scriptures that say “Son OF God”? Or shall we change them all to say “Son IN God” so they fit into your doctrine better?

jammin,Doesn't it make you the least bit ashamed to quote translations in which YOU KNOW they've ADDED their own words to FORCE the scripture to teach what they WANT it to teach? I know you are an intelligent person, so doesn't something click in your brain when you're reading these blatantly doctored translations? Doesn't your mind ask the…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ July 09 2012,00:26)IS THIS BOY'S ORIGIN FROM ETERNITY??YES OR NO!!No. God can raise up children for Abraham out of stones, Charles.  But that wouldn't mean those He raised up out of stones have existed from eternity – despite the fact that God would have personally and DIRECTLY brought them into existence.

Quote (942767 @ July 09 2012,14:15)Mike, shame on you for trying to put words in my mouth:No, “not the Word who became flesh”. That is not what the scripture states.John 1:14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.Okay, I give up. Tell me how what…[Read more]

Kerwin, “root” refers to that which is first, and “branch” refers to that which comes after.Jesus is both the Root AND the Branch of David.  Why do you nonsensically try to pretend that both words mean “descendent”?  And it's truly sad that you can admit our understanding “appears reasonable”, but then use “appearances can be deceiving” to give y…[Read more]

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,   though you are small among the clans of Judah,out of you will come for me   A FLESH BODY who will be ruler over Israel,whose origins are from of old,   from ancient times.”Is that what you think it means, jammin?

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2012,19:04)Hi Mike,”The Word's” glory is – the father begetting children.That's not even close to what the scripture says, Ed.

No jammin,It is talking about whoever will shepherd the flock of Israel in the strength of his God.Do you suppose that “the flesh body of Jesus” is what will shepherd Israel in the strength of its God? Is our Lord a flesh body, jammin?

Quote (jammin @ July 08 2012,18:34)what if i can read to you that mic 5.2 refers to his family line, will you accept that you are a false teacher mike?yes or no?Of course it refers to his family line. He is of the tribe of Judah, just like his fleshly ancestor David. But it is teaching that this one who will later be brought forth of the line of…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2012,17:26)Hi Mike,John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.I see no major difference between the translation jammin quoted and the one you quoted.