Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,19:19)errrm, Jesus fullfilled some of the shaddowy references to the coming Son.Okay.  So then the UB passage I read where Jesus, knowing he wasn't the Messiah, decided to call himself “the son of man” on a whim after reading Enoch, can't really be the truth of the matter, can it?

Yes Kerwin,That is what the FIRST part of the passage says exactly.  Now you just have to work out how “and was made in the likeness of a human being” fits into your understanding. Because you are trying to say Jesus was a human being WHILE he was existing in the form of God. But people who are ALREADY human beings aren't made in the likeness…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,17:52)Jesus left without fulfilling the misguided hopes of the Jewish people.Yes, they were expecting the Messiah to be some powerful king who would kick some serious butt right there and right then on earth. We cannot fault them, for they had no idea what God had planned.BUT……………… Jesus fulfilled the OT…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,15:58)Mike Is their any way we can get rid of Frank advertisement first it is useless and so many time repeating the same things,over and over,and so lengthy that it purpose seems to create confusion more than bring understandingPierre,It is sad that I missed this post of yours at first because I was scrolling at…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 17 2012,17:47)Do you remember when I first came into contact with you on this forum and my telling you that I did not want to enter into an endless dispute with you on what it is that I believe?Yes, I remember that, Frank.  But in my defense, at that time I thought you were unaware that you were missing so many pieces…[Read more]

No. Do you believe the so-called “Johanine Comma” is authentic? If so, then why is it in no ms until the 14th century?And it not, then why bring up something neither of us believe? Frank, you are a waste of my time. Your cut and paste jobs, which you NEVER stand and defend, are a waste of space on this website. Goodbye.

Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,21:25)He had thoroughly considered the idea of the Jewish Messiah and was firmly convinced that he was not to be that Messiah. He knew he would never sit on the throne of David at Jerusalem. Neither did he believe that his mission was that of a spiritual deliverer or moral teacher solely to the Jewish people.All of…[Read more]

In the twelve years I've know her, I can't recall ever hearing the words “I'm sorry” from my son's mom. She has, although, reassured me that if she ever IS wrong, she'll happily apologize.

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 17 2012,15:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2012,08:18)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 16 2012,20:44)Mike,I do believe in the entire so-called “New Testament”.Oh. Then you DO believe these two scriptures?Matthew 124 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2012,22:21)Mike,Thank you for admitting:YES Kathi.  The translations you posted describe people worshipping Jesus. So, we don't have to read this from you again:Quote No where in scripture is Jesus ever worshiped.Wow. That's pretty sneaky, don't you think, Kathi?I seem to recall that along with my answer (which applied…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2012,01:44)T8,You quote John 8:58 as if you believe it states before Abraham existed I did.Read the context, Kerwin.57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” 58 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I have been!”The Jews were talking about t…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 16 2012,20:44)Mike,I do believe in the entire so-called “New Testament”.Oh.  Then you DO believe these two scriptures?Matthew 124 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ July 16 2012,20:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2012,11:26)Quote (jammin @ July 15 2012,22:39)the man and a man. are they both created by nature??? the god and a god, are they both created by nature?jammin,This is not that hard.  The one and only Omniscient Creator of All Things did not beget the one and only Omniscient Creator of…[Read more]

Hi All,Please take all UB questions and comments for Colter over to the “UB and the Bible” thread he started.

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 16 2012,19:44)……….. in the so-called “New Testament”………Ahhhh! I wasn't aware that you didn't believe in the entire NT, Frank. I knew you like to pretend that John's gospel is suspect because what John teaches doesn't align with what you WANT to be the truth. But I didn't know your problem is with the…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,20:03)He claimed divinity while on earth in the Bible.I don't know of that scripture off hand, but how would a divine being BECOMING flesh prohibit him from being divine?Like I said, neither of our understandings make a distinction on this matter, so I'm not sure why you would ask that question.

The same thing I would call anyone else's soul. I guess “inner being” would work.

Quote (princess @ July 15 2012,20:00)please do so Mike….We must wait until Tim is done processing.

Quote (Stu @ July 15 2012,21:38)None of this answers my question.Actually, those scriptures DIRECTLY answer your question. We don't know what God looks like because we are not able to see God. Therefore, we cannot make a drawing of Him or take a photograph of Him to put on the front of our Bibles.I don't have time for games, Stu. There is no…[Read more]

I'm telling you that the various vice-regents sent BY Jehovah in the scriptures were often addressed as “Jehovah” – even though it is clear from the context that the listener didn't really think Jehovah Himself was standing in front of them.Do you understand what I'm saying?Exodus 32 There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire…[Read more]