Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2012,22:32)The Son naturally serves His Father. That does not mean that they are not a unity as JehovahUh…….. DUH! A servant OF God is not God, Kathi. This should be common sense to anyone 3 years old and up.

Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2012,22:28) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)How about those same verses in the translation I quoted?  Do any of them describe people worshipping Jesus?  YES or NO?Yes!Wrong answer.  The translations I showed depict men doing obeisance to Jesus, not worshiping him.Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2012,22:28)Whether it is translated as ob…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2012,23:05)Scriptural fact: In the OT, Jehovah is the God of gods and Lord of lords.Delusion: In the NT, Jehovah is only the God of gods and not the Lord of lords.That would be quite a delusion, Kathi.  Of course we know that Jesus and his God are both Lords over other lords.  King David was also a Lord over other l…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 21 2012,06:11)Hi MikeB.lucifer(satan) and his angels are the fallen angels.Hi Wakeup,So you think that “demons” are the spirits of the offspring produced when angels mated with human women (since their flesh died along with everything else in the flood)? That could very well be. But since we know Beelzebul (Satan) is the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 21 2012,08:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2012,10:32)Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus ChristMike………..Here is your answer.“the son of Man can do “nothing” of “himself” the Father who is 'in” Me “HE” does the works.And what did Paul say,…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ July 21 2012,07:25)accept what the bible says, the bible says that GOD has a begotten son and that is Christ. he is also GOD by nature and not god boy he is truly GOD just like his father!It seems to me that you have TWO Gods, jammin.  It seems that you believe one of those two Gods is “just like” the other one.  But then again, y…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 21 2012,09:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2012,12:23)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 20 2012,09:46)you own Wills are  “free” and therefore separate from God's WILL, your salvation is from your own “freewill s” and therefore it is your own salvation by your own freewill choices, You have not need of a God you are a God unto…[Read more]

For those of you who aren't yet familiar with Frank's secret language, he calls his inablility to defend the nonsensical things he claims on this site “owning” the other person.And yes Frank, you've shown once again how good you are at “owning” me.

Scriptural facts:  Jesus came down from heaven.  Jesus had glory alongside God before the world was created by his God through him.Delusion: Those scriptures don't really mean what they clearly say because I DON'T WANT THEM TO.Scriptural fact:  Jesus is the Son of the Most High God.Delusion:  Jesus IS the very God he is the Son of.

Quote (Lightenup @ July 19 2012,23:29)“If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me………………..”Jesus would never demand worship. It is the Father that glorifies Him.John 12:28 Father, glorify your name!” Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.”Seems to be a differe…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 19 2012,23:37)And you compare the bowing to Jesus as what is done to men?Jesus was still a man when the disciples supposedly “worshipped” him, Kathi.  All knees in heaven and earth were not yet bowing to him because his God and our God hadn't yet exalted him and GIVEN him the name above all others.  So yes, during his t…[Read more]

John 1:18 NIV18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.That scripture is also from the NIV, Kathi, and it is probably the most nonsensical translation anyone could come up with for John 1:18.  Really?  No one has ever seen God, but thousands have seen “God the One and Only”?    And “God…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ July 18 2012,20:04)9. Hebrew History(1071.6) 97:9.1 There never were twelve tribes of the Israelites — only three or four tribes settled in Palestine.Hi Colter,This is why I asked where the info in the UB came from.  It seems to me that these beings (angels, whatever) would at least know whether it was three or four tribes of Is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 20 2012,09:46)you own Wills are  “free” and therefore separate from God's WILL, your salvation is from your own “freewill s” and therefore it is your own salvation by your own freewill choices, You have not need of a God you are a God unto yourselves, and follow and worship you own Captivated WILLS. IMOGene,Having our…[Read more]

Revelation 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.I belie…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 20 2012,08:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2012,06:53)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2012,08:31)Creating a Different God was only what was in the minds of those “Ignorant” “Superstitious” People.Gene,You cannot believe that Jehovah is the God OF gods unless you also believe that other, lesser gods exist.  You cannot…[Read more]

I'm with you on this one, Kerwin. Demons are the minions of the Devil. They are angels who follow Satan instead of God.

Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2012,21:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 19 2012,05:55)Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2012,20:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2012,03:26)Read the context, Kerwin.57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”   58 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I have been!”[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2012,22:32)Mike,What likeness was Seth in before he was made in the likeness of Adam?No form at all, Kerwin. Seth was non-existent up until the point he was made in the likeness of a human being like his father.

Frank,If we are discussing Phil 2, and I ask you how someone who ALREADY IS existing in the likeness of a human being can BE MADE in the likeness of a human being, posting a million words from some non-preexister isn't an answer to my question.Now, on the off chance that one of your favored authors DOES actually comment on that particular point,…[Read more]