Quote (david @ July 23 2012,23:52)lightenup,  that seems an interesting topic and could very easily have it's own thread.We know that scribes changed YHWH to “Lord” in the OT.  The translators of the Bible Kathi quoted simply changed “Lord” in the Greek text to “YHWH” – apparently with no regard to whether the Lord mentioned was indeed YHWH, or H…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2012,23:52)John 12:12,13 (HRV) says, “when they heard that Yeshua was coming to Yerushalayim, they were crying and saying, Hoshianna, blessed is he who comes in the name of YHWH, THE KING OF ISRAEL” (as in Isa. 44:6).Kathi,Can't you see that the translators merely changed the Greek word “kurios” to “YHWH”?  They took a…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 23 2012,21:02)To me polytheism is a form of atheism, One says there is more than one God and the other says there is no God. The truth is There is ONLY ONE GOD.Hi Asana,That certainly is the politically correct 21st century way of understanding it. The problem is that the Bible actually teaches about MANY gods, both in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2012,23:09)The Lord of lords is under the authority of the Father who is the God of godsSo then the Father is the Lord of the Son as well as the God of the Son, right?The one with the authority is the “lord”. The one who is under that authority is the “servant”. These match up perfectly with the rest of scripture,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2012,00:41)Mike,Can you show me where King David was called 'Lord' where it was the same Hebrew word for the first 'Lord' in Lord of lords of Deuteronomy 10:17.Are we doing what I mentioned a couple pages ago, Kathi? Are we now trying to force individual snippets of scripture to teach our doctrine?You and I have already…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2012,04:00)Mike,So you assume that the Jews knew what they were speaking of even though Peter spoke of the prophets seeing Jesus' self-sacrifice even though they were not there physically.Kerwin,This is the second time you've asked me the same question, and my answer is the same as the last time: NO, the Jews apparently…[Read more]

Frank,Are you related to jammin?

Yes Kathi,Who IS Lord over Jesus? And how about the Father? Is Jesus His Lord?

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 23 2012,20:25)Mike,Again you have lied in over-exaggeration……………….Frank,It's clear that you won't be happy until you're right about everything and I'm wrong about everything. I've said what I had to say about the whole issue.

Quote (jammin @ July 23 2012,20:18)mike,dont you like to answer my question?Actually jammin,You have that backwards. The rest of us KEEP ON answering your questions, but when it comes time for you to answer ours, you always say “Answer mine first”. And so we answer it, and then say it's time for you to answer ours. But then you say, “Here's…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 23 2012,20:16)………….under your swine/dog little feet.I thought you said I was a swine/wolf. You must be softening up to me, because I've been upgraded from wolf to man's best friend!

Quote (kerwin @ July 23 2012,19:58)I clarified what I meant by pointing out that Jesus never claimed he saw Abraham.What Jesus pointed out is that he was in existence before Abraham was in existence.That was his answer to, “you are not yet 50 years old”.

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 23 2012,20:03)Mike,Also note that the definition of flaming is “also known as bashing, is hostile and insulting interaction between Internet users.” I have also seen this being done by many in this forum and noted their getting away with breaking this rule. I have also noted people in this forum being abusive, hateful…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 23 2012,19:47)You also need to stop making bold-face lies in saying “We want your input in these discussions” when you I and everyone else here knows full well that you are not in the least bit interested my input in these discussions and you certainly can not speak for everyone here.I truly want YOUR input, Frank. Not…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 23 2012,19:28)Most of the articles that I have posted are different articles. I may have posted some of them more than once, but generally I try to post different articles that pertain to the subject or topic at hand.Frank,I promise you that I'm not trying to single you out or pick on you.  But one of the problems is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2012,22:45)The phrase which you don't seem to understand from Tertullian, “He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another” is merely showing us that two different persons were involved in the act of creating and that things weren't created from just one person.Did he say “THEY who create are…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2012,20:59)You have not proved that the Father and the Son are not a unity as Jehovah just because one is the servant of the other.I never set out to prove a negative in the first place, Kathi. YOU are the one making this illogical and unscriptural claim. It is not for me to DISPROVE IT, but for you to PROVE IT.I'm…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2012,20:59)Do you actually think that He who serves another cannot be God?So, the servant of the God of gods is the Lord of lords…this works both ways and would be part of a perfect unity.And who is God the Father the servant of?  Who gives Him commands that He must obey?

Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2012,20:08)Mike,Quote They must avoid this part of the word “monogenes”, because they, being Trinitarians, don't like the implication that their God#2 was “begotten”.  The Trinitarian creeds mention that the Son was 'begotten before the ages' so I don't think what you said is a true reflection of the Trinitarians. You…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2012,20:42)Whether it is obeisance or worship, it is done in a religious manner and would be violating the command of Jehovah……….. Could you show me the scripture where it is explained that Jesus was bowed down to “in a religious manner”?  YES or NO?  Also, could you show me where bowing before another man to s…[Read more]