Quote (carmel @ July 28 2012,15:49)Mike,Scriptures never teaches that ALMIGHTY GOD was on His own without His Son.AND I REPEAT ALMIGHTY GOD IS NOT ALMIGHTY WITHOUT HIS SON WITHIN HIM.Charles,Read Rev 4:8 through 5:7.  Maybe you will understand that the Lord God Almighty is the ONE who sits on the throne, while the Lamb (His Son) is someone OTHER…[Read more]

Really?  This is from the ENGLISH Webster's Dictionary:god:any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of natureEd, just admit you have lost this one, and that “no elohim apart from me” is an EMPHATIC statement, meaning that Jehovah is ABOVE all the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 28 2012,12:46)Mike………..He added with you in his statement.And how does that change what the words “I have been” mean?Are you saying that it DOESN'T mean “I have EXISTED with you……..”? If not, then what?

Quote (carmel @ July 28 2012,13:06)AND IF GOD'S KINGDOM IS THE SON'S KINGDOM, THE SON IS ALSO GODNo Charles,Scripture teaches about ONE Almighty God, and His Son.The nation of Israel was “David's kingdom”, although God was also called the “King” of it.  Does that mean David was also God?  I've addressed this kind of delusion in the “Delusions” t…[Read more]

So then you know that when Jehovah says, “apart from me there is no elohim“, it does not mean that Jehovah is LITERALLY the ONLY elohim in existence, right?

Okay David,I misunderstood you. My bad. Gene,I have started your new thread with the link to the interlinear site you like.

Gene, I will put it in a thread called “Greek Interlinear” for you.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 28 2012,12:06)if a Person say I have Been , My question would be been what? , your still forcing texts to meet you preexistences dogmas brother.Genesis 31:38 “I have been with you for twenty years now. Your sheep and goats have not miscarried, nor have I eaten rams from your flocks.What did Jacob mean by the words “I h…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I haven't yet had the time to really delve into the origin or the HRV, but you quoted this scripture from it in another thread:Revealing the Trinity, I Cor. 12:4-6 (HRV) says, “there are distributions of gifts but the SPIRIT IS ONE (the Holy Spirit). And there are distributions of services but YHWH IS ONE (Yahshua). And there are…[Read more]

Okay Kathi.It seems we are having this HRV discussion in other threads right now, so let's get back to the discussion we were having here before you brought the HRV into it.I'm waiting for responses to the 2-6 posts on page 40 of this thread.

Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2012,22:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2012,10:42)Hi All,I have fought an uphill battle here with most people, who won't acknowledge the scriptural truth that there exist many gods, of whom Jehovah is the Most High.Hi Mike,Many Eloheems and many gods are two very different things; but you already know that, right?And you…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ from the “Many Gods” thread,July 26 2012,21:15)God does everything BY HIS WORD.(there are no two different words).I completely disagree.  The word “logos” refers to MANY different things in the scriptures.  Sometimes it refers to any spoken or written word from ANYONE, other times to words God has spoken to humans through angels, v…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,21:15)God does everything BY HIS WORD.(there are no two different words).I completely disagree. The word “logos” refers to MANY different things in the scriptures. Sometimes it refers to any spoken or written word from ANYONE, other times to words God has spoken to humans through angels, visions, etc, and other times…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,21:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2012,13:31)Wakeup,John 17:3 speaks of TWO, one of whom is the only true God, and the OTHER of whom is Jesus.Do you agree?I completely agree.Okay.Then does that make Jesus a “false god”?

Ah, but if the word used was “MarYa”, and should be translated as “YHWH”, then the word “LORD” in the ABPE (Aramaic Bible in Plain English) is an ADDITION, and should not be there.Which leaves us with my original point:The HRV says Jesus is the ONLY YHWH, leaving the Father out of the YHWH equation.What now?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 28 2012,09:03)I found a Greek Linear translation and am reading it and what a difference in the wording we have in our translations of what and how scripture in the original Greek was changed to meet our Language.That's good stuff, Gene. If you look up any scripture on Net Bible, it will list 9 English translations,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2012,05:05)The Greek translator put those words in Aramaic because they were originally spoken in Aramaic and not in Greek.Do you suggest that Jesus generally spoke in Greek, and only occasionally uttered phrases in Aramaic or Hebrew?

Gene,Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Gene, to whom did the LORD ask this question?

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 27 2012,17:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2012,10:04)But it stands to reason that if he was existing in the form of God, emptied himself, and was made in the likeness of a human being, then he existed BEFORE being made in the likeness of a human being.It stands to reason that if Jesus had glory alongside his God before…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ July 27 2012,10:24)Mike,Is that an answer to MY QUESTION???Is that How good you are???Here they are again!In that moment in time to open the door and there's no KEY!!! IS THE KEY more powerful then the treasure.?? Or:…[Read more]