Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,01:42)……….you will understand how this four gospel thing came about without the epistles.Why can't you just tell us?

Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,01:25)Mike,Paul did not write Romans in Greek, Tertius did.Paul didn't personally write any of his letters, from what it seems. At the end of many of them, he'll make mention that he is signing his name personally, making it obvious that someone else wrote down what he dictated in the rest of the letter.But what…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 31 2012,08:29)Mike ……….My point is, you can not by those words determine what Jesus meant, becasue he did not say he was talking about His existence as a living Being “Specifically” as you preexistences “suppose” he was? Had Jesus said “I was alive before Abraham was, then you would be right,Gene, the words “I…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2012,00:52)It has that and other meanings such as become, made, born, come about, and happen.  I chose to use “to become” as it is an equivalent English tense that is still open to interpretation……….Yeah, considering that Greek words in the aorist form are generally translated into English as past tense, I'd have to a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,21:25)Mikegood work……………….I do not think he will accept this explanation for the reason that he does not want to believe in the scriptures in any way that they do not fit his personal viewThanks Pierre.And now I've had to do a whole lot more work just to play Kerwin's game. There is NOBODY in their…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2012,00:52)Mike,Quote In the case of Descartes' statement, there is no “inferred word”.  One doesn't have to say, I am EXISTING, Kerwin, for the words “I am”, in and of themselves, MEAN “I EXIST”.But I will make you a deal:  If you can find ANYONE on the face of the earth who has opined that Descartes' statement means “I t…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,11:00)GeneB.Stop dancing with us.This is why I walked away from this discussion a while back, and said I'd just watch the conversation between you and Gene.Gene doesn't directly answer questions very often.  He prefers to keep the waters muddy with his novels that ALWAYS explain how nobody else but him understands…[Read more]

David, I enjoyed your post.  It makes much sense, but you are wrong about one thing:  We most definitely WILL have to go to the “wise alone” normal logic before this is over.  Here is a post I made for Nick a while back:You seem to be able to accept that God is the “Ultimate King”, although there have been many lesser kings under Him.  For exa…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2012,22:30)Also, Mike, not only are we discussing Paul's letters but the gospels.We were discussing 1 Cor 8:6, Kathi.  That's why I said what I said.  And just like 1 Cor 8:6 ruins your “two YHWH” doctrine by calling Jesus ALONE our “one YHWHs”, this Luke passage seems to teach that both the Father AND the Messiah are “…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2012,22:22)Mike,It is most likely, according to what Josephus said, that Paul spoke in Aramaic and wrote in Aramaic,Let's not take a letter from Josephus, where he said he preferred to speak Hebrew, and apply it to the entire NT, okay?Josephus said nothing about Paul speaking or writing his letters in Aramaic, although…[Read more]

And what do you say about the info I posted?

Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,17:23)Mike B.Does not God himself told us?He is telling us,not asking us.Beside me there is no saviour.Is there a God beside me? no there is no God.So why still trying to work out answers? Is Gods statement not sufficient for you?wakeup.I have so much to show you, Wakeup, that I'm not sure where to start.  But since…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2012,17:04)Hi Mike,Do you include Jesus in Jer.10:11?Jer 10 is clearly speaking about man-made idols (read verses 3-9), which are no elohim at all, Ed.Now on the other hand, many angels have been called “elohim”.  So do YOU understand Jer 10:11 to be saying beings like Michael the archangel and Jesus will destroyed?Here is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2012,01:29)Mike,That is a better translation that most but words “into being” does not make sense as the verb is middle voice and not passive.Read the green words in my last post, Kerwin. It's not like I'm ADDING “into being” to the text. The word “ginomai” actually MEANS “to come into being”.I don't knock you for…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2012,01:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2012,23:30)Kerwin,Do you agree that the statement, “I think, therefore I am” means, “I think, therefore I exist”?  YES or NO?Mike,1) I am x where x is the inferred word depending on context.a} I think therefore I am b} I think therefore I am 2) The form is different than that of…[Read more]

Wakeup and Ed,“Ye are even my witnesses. Is there an elohim beside me? yea, there is NO elohim; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)What does it mean for Jehovah to say there are no other elohim, when we know from scripture that there are many?  I personally understand it as an emphatic statement, like Jeff Gordon saying, “There are no other race car…[Read more]

Quote (david @ July 30 2012,01:12)……..people have come to think that “god” means Jehovah, or that God means “creator” or “father” etc. This is a great part that adds to the confusion of the trinity belief.I agree 100% with your post, David. I'm here to TRY to set the record straight. (You'll notice that I got no intelligible answer from…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2012,22:12)Actually, this description is about a unity of 2 being God and Lord, a single being called 'God' and another single being called 'Lord.'Then wouldn't the unity of the two always be called “Lord God”? Why is the unity so often called by just the name of the “God” part of the unity?Also, Jehovah put His name on…[Read more]

Quote (limjunus @ July 29 2012,21:04)jammin is ignoring my question.Get used to it.  

Gene,Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Gene, to whom did the LORD ask this question?