Proclaimer: If this is true then, it is likely true overall.

Or are you and the SDA making the argument that a day to the LORD only is like a thousand years in that one instance? Because that is what I think you are saying and that seems absurd.

Hey!  You are making MY argument for me!  I too think it would be absurd for God to use the word “d…[Read more]

Proclaimer:   Many times in scripture we read about weeks, times, etc. And often they seem to play out on scales beyond our expectations and can span many generations.

We’re just waiting for one time in the entire Bible where God talks about a specific NUMBER of days, but isn’t talking about literal 12 or 24 hour days.

Tick tock…

Carmel: Hi Berean

You: THEREFORE THE FIRST STEP IN THE CREATION PROCESS IS THE HEAVEN AND EARTH AND NOT LIGHT.

ME: How in your opinion, always based on scripture, 

IN GENESIS 1:1  GOD CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH?

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Dang Carmel… why can’t your posts to ME be like that?  At least this is one single incoherent sta…[Read more]

Gene: Mike…….. what does the scripture…..

Exodus 31:16-17… The Israelites must keep the Sabbath… for in six days the LORD made the heaven and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.

Gene, what are the two specific things that Yahweh Himself said He made within a six day period?  I’ve underlined them for you.  Pleas…[Read more]

Berean:  Peter reminds believers not to be discouraged because God is working on a different schedule. For a human being, if something doesn’t happen in a few years, then we may miss it. God, however, is not limited by the same time constraints…

This is OBVIOUSLY what Peter was trying to convey… not that when God uses the word “day” He’s ta…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Mike.

Ask yourself why we are told that a day to God is like a millennia when the only time in scripture that God and days are referenced together without man is in Genesis, (that I know of).

There is no scripture where God and days are referenced without the presence of mankind. The scriptures were written by man, so there is no…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Addressing something doesn’t equal debunking something.

You haven’t actually come up with a single VALID argument for how it could even be possible that the six days in which God Himself said He created the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in them AREN’T six literal days.  Of course they are six literal days – UNLESS the…[Read more]

Mike:  You said there’s no justification that these are 24 hour days.  But tell us, Proclaimer… what exactly is YOUR justification for INSISTING that they CAN’T POSSIBLY be literal 24 hour days.

Proclaimer:  I’m not putting any specific time period on how God experiences a day.

It doesn’t matter to our discussion how God EXPERIENCES a day – only…[Read more]

Has Proclaimer’s Account Been Hacked By A 12 Year Old Remedial Student?
This is so far from reality that I had to copy the entire thing!  😳😳😳

Proclaimer: Okay Mike. So you want to delete things as evidence to help your case.

I don’t need to delete anything because I am confident that any scripture will agree with the truth.

I let the truth spe…

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Berean: Proclaimer

Let me tell you that you are OUT OF CONTEXT with this verse of Peter, which you make a hobbyhorse to try to prove to us in fact that God created by evolution. And that’s where it’s wrong Proclaimer, you make God lie in this story. But God is not a man to lie.

Hit the nail right on the head! 👍👍👍

Proclaimer:  But if you were reasonable, you would just conclude that the word day is dependent on the context.

I have not only concluded this, but have already said that the Hebrew word “yom” is used EXACTLY like the English word “day” is used.

Proclaimer:  But for us, it is mostly 12 or 24 hours because they are the most common stages for us b…

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So MANY Problems With Proclaimer’s Argument!

Proclaimer: You can’t impose your standard units of time back to when God created the universe.

What I can do is trust God when he tells HUMAN BEINGS that He did something in six days.  If God did something over the course of a thousand, million, or billion years, He dang sure wouldn’t tell HUMAN BEI…[Read more]

 Carmel: EXODUS DOES NOT SAY:

GOD CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH!BUT

for in six days the LORD made the heaven and the earth, 

Also, Genesis is clear and in verse 3, it says: …………and there was evening and morning one day.

Thus Genesis 1:3 is the first day! Not before! 

From this particular day, GOD STARTED TO MAKE HEAVEN AND EARTH!

Oh brother. &#x1f6…[Read more]

Proclaimer: There is no justification for forcing these days to be 24 hours long for the following reasons.

1. Sometimes a day is 12 hours. 
2. A day to God is like a thousand years. Do not forget this.
3. Man was not created when the vast majority of these days were happening.
4. According to you, the sun was not even around either.
5. Mars has d…

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Proclaimer:  How long would a thousand years be to your mind? A really long time is what it is saying.

Apparently, creation took and even longer time for God… orders of magnitude longer than a thousand years would take for us.

There are one million thousands in one billion.  So if it took God 14 billion years to create the heaven and earth – a…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Now let’s imagine my name is John Britten and I created a motorbike including all the parts myself.

Imagine just before race day, I turn on the lights and say, “let there be light”. Then I said, that I created this motorbike. Would that mean that I created the bike at that moment because I mentioned it then?

Another analogy?  Swell. &#x1f64…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  His time is not our time. His ways are not our ways. He is not a man.

Agreed.  For example, it is possible for God to speak to humans in a language that the humans don’t understand.  Heck, God to speak to you in ALL of the languages that have ever been spoken all at once if He wanted to.  But what good would it do you if you cou…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  But a day on Mars is called a sol. It is a different amount of our hours.

Assumes facts not in evidence.  It’s therefore stricken from the record.

Proclaimer: …when it is talking about us and our days here… we have 2 options, 12 or 24 hours…

Correct.  I will enter this into the record as your acknowledgement that “any time in th…[Read more]

Proclaimer: First problem we have here is day and night. If it is always 24 hours, then there is no time for night in the verses where both day and night are mentioned.

Fortunately – since I’m well aware of how you operate and try to use tricky-talk to force an argument that is moot – I made sure I worded it to include both 12 and 24 hour days,…[Read more]

Carmel: ONLY Genesis 1:1  says: 1In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. ….

GENESIS 1:2 IS NOT A BEGINNING IT IS THE STATE OF THE EARTH AFTER THE BEGINNING OF GENESIS 1:1

Exodus 31:15-17… For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest… for in six days the LORD made the heaven and the earth, but on…[Read more]