Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 02 2012,09:47)You and Mike have both failed to address the “Direct Quoits” i have produced why is that?Wakeup just answered all of your points in the 7th post on the previous page, Gene.He is telling you what I've been telling you for years in the “Bodies” thread.You are right that SOMETIMES, spirit is just a force…[Read more]

That won't work, Ed.  “Almighty” means the mightiest of the mighty.  How will that apply to situations like when Deborah is called “elohim”?Was Deborah “almighty”?Can you show the source where you learned that “el” means “almighty”?

Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2012,21:49)The Munster Hebrew text of Matthew actually contains thename of YHWH spelled out where it belongs.From Wiki:Sebastian Münster's Matthew, 1537 The Münster Matthew is printed version of the Gospel of Matthew, written in the Hebrew language published by Sebastian Münster in 1537 and dedicated to King Henry VI…[Read more]

Here is the info from the site I mentioned:Word: 0yrmb Lexeme: 0yrm Root: 0rm Word Number: 12364 Meaning: lord Pronunciation: (Eastern) B'MaRYaA (Western) B'MoRYoA Part of Speech: Noun Gender: Masculine Person:  Number: Singular State: EmphaticThis site also lists a concordance where the word is used in a few scriptures. One of the scriptures…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2012,21:49)As a rule103 the Aramaic Peshitta Tanak (Old Testament) rendersEL/ELOAH/ELOHIM with ALAHA; ADONAI/ADON with MAR and YHWH with MARYA. For Example:Psalm 110:1a Hebrew: YHWH said to my ADON…Psalm 110:1a Aramaic: MARYA said to my MAR…This pattern continues through the Aramaic NT as well.Kathi,This has nothing to…[Read more]

So can you live with “mighty one” Ed?

And are you okay with the following definition of “el”?1. One who is mighty.2. One who is to be revered.3. A combination of #1 and #2.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2012,16:29)Terricca…………if he “Came down” from Heaven ” then he was “NOT” a Man.Gene,What is your basis for making this claim? If scripture says Jesus was existing in the form of God before being made into a human being, then why couldn't this human being have “come down from heaven”?God can make sons of…[Read more]

I read it.  It speaks about a translation that was made in Aramaic in 175 AD, in which the four gospels were mixed together as one.It sheds no light on the points in question, nor does it offer any proof to negate the things I posted on the previous page of this thread.

Gene,Is this your answer to my question:Mike, God was asking the ha-satan adversarial Spirit where it had been. ?I can't tell which part of your HUGE post actually answers the question I asked you. Was I right?

Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,00:17)Quote Also, Jehovah put His name on the angel in Exodus, the Israelites, Jerusalem, etc.  Isaiah 43:6-7Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth— everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.”That is different than having YHWH as your name…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,00:17)Mike,you ask:Quote Then wouldn't the unity of the two always be called “Lord God”?  Obviously not.Hmmm……………

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2012,11:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2012,13:33)2 Kings 3:27 Then he took his firstborn son, who was to succeed him as king, and offered him as a sacrifice on the city wall. The wrath against Israel was great; they withdrew and returned to their own land.Ed, the god of the Moabites was Chemosh.  1.  Who do YOU think the k…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2012,21:20)“ginomai” is translated to “be fulfilled” in Matthew 5:18, Matthew 24:34, and Luke 21:32 of the KJV. I simply equate God’s word being fulfilled in a person as them being made perfect.Okay Kerwin,Remember the two deals I offered you. Are you bailing on the first one because you can't find a sane person in the wh…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2012,09:01)Mike…………Yes lets deal with those scriptures if you are so sure they mean “SPECIFICALLY” what you “THINK” they do , you will find they do not mean what you assume they do and that is is you past Trinitarian and Preexistence perceptions that are blinding you from understanding the truth that Jesus…[Read more]

jammin,When Paul says Jesus was existing in the form of “God”, what did he mean by the word “God”?A.  An individual being?B.  A species?

limjunis,The logical points you are making are very good.  Don't expect to get anywhere with them though, for many have tried.It stands to reason that if Jesus was existing in the form OF God, then he can't possibly BE the very God in whose form he was existing.It also stands to reason that, in 1 John 5:20, the one called “the true God” is the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2012,19:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 31 2012,10:55)Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2012,17:04)Hi Mike,Do you include Jesus in Jer.10:11?Jer 10 is clearly speaking about man-made idols (read verses 3-9), which are no elohim at all, Ed.EXACTLY my point.       …thanks for spelling it out!Okay, so we agree that man made idols are not el…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2012,19:33)God sends us saviors BUT HE DOES NOT SEND US gods, PERIOD!           …this is the point…          NO gods!So you see Mike, your “saviors” analogy falls flat on the faceSo APART from Jehovah, there really is no savior, because no being would have the power to save even one hair on their head if that power was…[Read more]

Kathi,This is from the site you linked:This would date the Peshitta to around 175 AD at the absolute latest. That’s pretty impressive, considering that the New Testament is believed to have been completed around 100 AD.This jibes with the Wiki info I posted for you.  It seems that the Syrians were among the first to TRANSLATE the scriptures fr…[Read more]