Quote (limjunus @ Aug. 05 2012,08:14) :given your own conclusion. Jesus ascending to my Father,.. is mean to you that from human being into a Supreme being? If Jesus Christ is truly God, why need to be changed from truly God into truly God? another confusion is, “if the begotten Son is truly God, why changing from Son God into a Father God?Another…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 05 2012,06:28)Quote (jammin @ Aug. 05 2012,15:38)God was manifest in the flesh.Yes, this statement is true.  No denying what the scripture says.  God was manifested in the flesh.Hi journey,As usual, I have been enjoying your posts.  Good stuff!  But you should know the truth that 1 Timothy 3:16 doesn't actually say “GOD was…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 04 2012,20:27)your gods are not really God by nature. they are created.They are not “my gods”, but gods that are clearly taught about in scripture. And yes, they were created by the God of all other gods, just as Jesus was created by that One.As for the question you say I never answer, I've answered it a dozen times for you…[Read more]

Thanks limjunis. I've added your scriptures to the main list in the second post of the thread.

Jack,Let's say you're right about 1:18 meaning no one has ever understood God.What about 1 john 4:12?No-one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.The Greek word in this case is “theaomai”, which has to do with seeing with the eyes, and doesn't, from what I can tell, carry the alternate…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2012,13:20)There really is so much more to this to learn about, wouldn't you agree?I do agree.  But let's put everything in your favor for a minute.  Let's assume that the original NT WAS written in Aramaic.  What then have you proved?See Kathi, your only reason for hoping the NT was orginally written in Aramaic is be…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2012,13:29)This is a pretty good article about the matter:Yeshua as YHWH in the New Testament………………..Kathi,You call it “pretty good” because it speaks what your ears are itching to hear.But all I read is the same tired “Jesus is God proofs” that I've solidly refuted using the scriptures for almost three years…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2012,12:52)What I do know is that there are these Bibles that are translated by people who claim that MarYah is the Aramaic word that replaces the name YHWH in the OT and NT.Yes, and the name “Jehovah” was replaced with “Adonai” in the Hebrew text. But does the word “adonai” MEAN “Jehovah”? Does it mean that any time…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2012,12:45)Mike,On that site, LORD (all caps), appears where YHWH would go.Okay. So the ENGLISH translator decided to translate the word “lord” with all capital letters?Tell me how that means “Jehovah”.

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 04 2012,11:51)Jesus’ words, “the Father is in Me,” must have left a strong impression on Thomas.Indeed, they are the key to correctly understand what doubting Thomas later meant whenhe said to Jesus, “my God.” That is, Thomas acknowledged what Jesus had taught tendays prior, that God the Father is in Jesus.[Read more]

Hilarious stuff guys!

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2012,22:14)Nothing was made in heaven and earth apart from Jesus. Do you believe this, BD?Ecclesiastes 11:5 As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother’s womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.Kathi, do YOU believe God is the Maker of ALL things?See, I a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2012,12:41)Number 1…don't call me Jammin' JrThen don't post doctored translations like he does.  Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2012,12:41)Number 2…Can there be any degree of proof for you that shows ANY translation as legit?Realize that not only is Jesus called YHWH in the Aramaic Bibles, He is called God also. Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2012,12:20)It seems that you believe that God had no eternal offspring within Him and I believe that He did.BUT……………. since the scriptures were inspired by God Himself to be written by humans to teach humans, those teachings are written so that humans can understand them.So when a human hears of a “son”, that…[Read more]

To All:jammin and Barnes are right on this one – up to a point.  There is no indication from the words of the scripture itself that Thomas was expressing “OMG!”.In fact, the scripture clearly states that Thomas said ALL of his words TO JESUS, indicating that Thomas was calling Jesus “my Lord and my God”.Nor is there any indication that any human…[Read more]

Gene, instead of a long explanatory post, please just give me a simple, clear, and direct answer to the following:Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”Gene, to whom did Jehovah ask this question?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 04 2012,08:43)Wakeup…………The words do come to be (became) flesh (IN) us……………But Gene,As I've told you 100 times already, John 1:14 DOESN'T say, “The Word came to be IN someone who was flesh”.Instead, it says “The Word BECAME flesh”.Adding the word “IN” into that scripture changes the entire context and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 02 2012,23:09)Mike,There are times you think you have a point which I think is foolishness.  One such is going to Descartes' words which equated thinking to existence.Is this your way of ACKNOWLEDGING to the rest of us that you DO understand the simple FACT that Descartes equated thinking to existence?Kudos for you, Kerwin!…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2012,09:47)MIkeB.Why is it so difficult?Of course he would have said''God made me wonder.(not gods).How are you so sure, Wakeup?It is “difficult” because of the plural verb associated with “elohim” (which itself is a plural word) in that verse.Example:  elohim states his purposeBecause of the plural word “states”, and the…[Read more]