Proclaimer:  Science shows us an amazing universe that God created… The distances and times are beyond you mind.

Are they?  Carmel and I were briefly discussing Isaiah 14 earlier today, and I’d like your input.

Isaiah 14:12-13… How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once l…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Genesis doesn’t have to disagree with much of science, particularly astronomy, geology, etc.

What are you talking about?  Genesis doesn’t disagree with ANY science, because true science actually supports a six day creation 6000 years ago and a worldwide flood 4500 years ago.

Proclaimer:  But you force it to disagree because you do n…

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Proclaimer:  Do not forget, that a day to God is like a thousand years. Or a long long time.

OR… a thousand years to God is like a single day to us – a very SHORT time.  But either way, the metaphor is irrelevant to what God means when He speaks about any particular number of days to humans.  Time to put that one back in the holster, Barney Fi…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  In the Genesis account of days, this is God was creating before man existed for the most part. And the Sun wasn’t in existence according to you, (I disagree). So why would a day where God is creating be measured by the sun when man is not yet in existence. And worse for you, when the sun isn’t even there. It makes no sense.

When was…[Read more]

Carmel: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!

Reading the above verse we are for sure that GOD BEFORE CREATION WAS ON HIS OWN

Mike:  Wrong.  God created Jesus and the other gods

Carmel: IF ACCORDING TO YOU GOD CREATED JESUS AND OTHER ANGELS, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT IF NOT THE BEGINNING OF CREATION!

The creation of…[Read more]

Carmel:  PLEASE POST THE DIRECT QUOTE OF MY WORDS!

No.  If the search function on this site wasn’t useless, I’d have found that quote in less than a minute.  As it is, I spent 25 minutes trying different search terms that included “Gen 1” and “Ex 31″… and nothing.

Same thing earlier to answer Gene’s accusation that I hadn’t addressed his Ad…[Read more]

Gene:  FACT IS Genesis 1, clearly indicates  that the heavens and earth was already here,  when God Started his , new beginning of this earth that once existed,  and he destroyed the earth with all the animal kingdom that then existed,  with water just as he did, in the days of Noah…

Sorry Gene, but I can’t read any of this in scripture – beca…[Read more]

Proclaimer: “We’re just waiting for one time in the entire Bible where God talks about a specific NUMBER of days, but isn’t talking about literal 12 or 24 hour days.”

Correct.  Have you found one yet?

Proclaimer:  I’m not sure, but there might be this one time in Genesis where day one, day two, etc is mentioned…

You already have a pending…[Read more]

Carmel: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!

Reading the above verse we are for sure that GOD BEFORE CREATION WAS ON HIS OWN

Wrong.  God created Jesus and the other gods (you call them angels) BEFORE the creation event of Genesis 1.

Job 38:4-7…  Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation… while the morn…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  To be a scholar or serious student of God’s word Mike and Berean, you need to not only understand patterns in scripture, but also be able to decode the symbols, the terms, and the times. I think you have seriously failed at this.

Well, you are of course free to think whatever you want to think.  But keep in mind that I’m the one who…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  In Revelation for example, we are told that “the day of His wrath has come“, but reading further in Revelation, we see his wrath and judgments spans a greater time period than 12 or 24 hours.

Correct.  When we read statements like “the day of the LORD” or “in that day”, we often don’t know for sure if it will be a single day, or a l…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  I can let scripture teach me because I do not fix or limit things according to my own biases.

Really?

Exodus 20:9-11…  Six days you shall labor and do all your work… For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them…

Letting the scripture teach you without any personal biases i…[Read more]

Just when I got comfortable not having to copy every post before submitting it…

And I arrowed back multiple times to try to find the post I lost, but no luck.  At least it wasn’t a really long one that took me an hour this time.

Proclaimer: Hey Mike and Berean. People in the know understand that a day to God is not like a day to us.

We all agree that a day to God doesn’t have to be like a day to us.  I think it’s safe to say that a God who knows the ending from the beginning is not constrained by the constant, consecutive passing of time as we experience it.  Th…[Read more]

Mike: You say that when God says He MADE the heaven and the earth in six days, it means something different to God CREATING the heaven and the earth in six days.  Prove it.

Carmel:  Where did I say THOSE PRECISE WORDS BROTHER MIKE!

Since my statement doesn’t include a direct quote of your words, a rational person would assume that I was par…[Read more]

Gene:  Did Adam and Eve “DIE” on the 24 hr period day…

I already answered that question – quite extensively I might add – about a week or so ago.  In short, the Hebrew word “die” is listed twice in a row – which is likely correctly translated as, “In the day you eat of it, dying you shall die.”

My conclusion (among the many possibilities I inc…[Read more]

Proclaimer Can’t Say That I Didn’t Warn Him Ahead
Of Time That I Would Bring Him To His Knees

Thus began the Genesis 1 discussion that has exposed T8 as more of a Mumbler, Double-Talker, and Hider than a “Proclaimer”.  And now he is on his knees, slinging ad hominem attacks because it is all he has left.
“When the debate is lost, slander…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Just don’t venture into things that you are not good at is my advice.

It’s a little too late for you to take your own advice now, isn’t it?  You found yourself right smack dab in the middle of the battle before you even realized that you had ventured into something you weren’t good at. Just so you know, that was by design.  And I even…[Read more]

Carmel: Hi Mike… are YOU ready for the longest NOVEL I  EVER WROTE ON HEAVEN NET?

Um… no.  I beg of you, please… have mercy on us all!  Don’t do it, man!  😂

Carmel:  GENESIS 1:1 IS A COMPLETE CREATION OF HEAVEN AND EARTH PERFECT AND INHABITED BY HUMAN-LIKE CREATURES /GIANTS, AND AT A CERTAIN MOMENT IN TIME BECAME CORRUPTED. HINTED OUT IN

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Berean:  Well, We’re not applying 2 Peter 3:8 to Genesis 1, that’s for sure.

And oddly enough, Gen 1 is the ONLY place where Proclaimer (and Gene) want to apply Peter’s metaphorical statement – which didn’t even come into existence until 1400 years later!

I’m asking them to put their money where their mouths are.  If they truly believe (base…[Read more]