Ed,Any being with their own “PERSONALITY” is a PERSON.  God has His own personality, ergo, He is a person.We can't shrink away from the truth just because we are afraid others might twist that truth into unscriptural doctrines.  For example, we can't just close our eyes and insist that there exists only one god, just because we don't want to be c…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,16:02)Hi Mike,I will go along with your hypotheticals here, but you do know that the word is not “Eloheem” in the second instance.#1 for (אֱלֹהִים) the first occasion, referring to the Almighty (God) of Israel.#4 for (אֱלֹהֵי) the second occasion, referring to the mighty one (god) of Elkron.Okay Ed,Remember “mar” and…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,15:45)Who is the “Almighty”; Mike?     …אֱלֹ “EL”, right?I don't know what you're asking here, Ed.  Are you thinking that the word “el” is in Is 13:6?  Because it isn't.And NO, “el” in general isn't the Almighty.  Only the El OF all the other elohim is the Almighty one.

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 22 2012,20:41)No, it was not I who said “the Word in John 1:1 represented the Divine Plan of Yahweh.” I also never once suggested “the Divine Plan actually WAS Yahweh.”In the beginning was the plan , and the plan was with Him in the beginning, and the plan was sublime. The plan became flesh, and tabernacled among us…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2012,00:13)Whenever the Targums come to passages where YHVH is anthropomorphized or seen, or where two or more YHVHs are indicated by the text, the Targums will often substitute “The Word of YHVH” for YHVH.That sounds about right, Kathi.  Since “word” sometimes metaphorically refers to “spokesperson”, then when the…[Read more]

Ed,Isn't there also “Alexandrian”?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,10:13)You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being”  is the Metaphor.I disagree Gene.  God is most definitely a being, complete with a soul, jealousy, love, anger, faithfulness, etc. Were we not made in His image?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,08:57)Mike……….Simple ……If God destroys the Body in the grave he also is destroying the Soul.  Why , becasue a “Living Soul” is a body with spirit of life in it.You're doing it again, Gene.  Your word “also” implies that the body and the soul are TWO different things.1.  BODY                          …[Read more]

Good points, Jack. Thanks for the info.I am a little uncomfortable picking and choosing which of Solomon's teachings to believe, and which ones to dismiss as “apostate”.Is there scriptural information concerning when Solomon wrote his proverbs? Do we know for sure that Eccl. was written after he fell away from Jehovah and added the gods of his…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,22:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2012,09:37)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,19:18)Hi Mike,Eloheem means:1. God2. Angels3. Judges4. mighty onesOkay Ed.So there are truly MANY elohim taught about in the scriptures, right?2 Kings 1:6This is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no elohim in Israel that you are sending men…[Read more]

Hi Ed,The Hebrew word in Isaiah 13:6 is “shadday”, which is thought to mean “almighty”. And since “almighty” means “the mightiest of all the mighty”, it can refer to none other than Jehovah.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2012,17:06)Mike,Quote You can't have “YHWH the Son” being the one who stayed behind with Abraham, and also have “YHWH the Son” being one of the OTHER two who went on to Sodom.Where did I say that He was one of the other two? YHWH was talking face to face with Abraham, the other two 'men' who were angels went on ahead to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 22 2012,17:51)Mike,So you expect to be viewed as credible when you look at a definition from a dictionary as gibberish because you think it disagrees with you.Perhaps it is too intellectual for you but that does not make it gibberish; though it can be hard to understand.First of all, it is not the definition that is gibberish,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 22 2012,18:23)Mike,I do not see Jehovah as having an outer self as he is the living elemental force.  He does have a spirit which is the elemental force of love.  He has a soul though his Spirit does not.Kerwin,I have no clue what you are talking about.

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 22 2012,17:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2012,07:17)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Aug. 21 2012,19:14)The plan became flesh, and tabernacled among us with the esteem of Yahweh's only begotten son .Why would a plan of Yahweh have the glory of the Son of Yahweh?  Is the plan actually Yahweh's Son?Mike,Such foolish and twisted…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,19:18)Hi Mike,Eloheem means:1. God2. Angels3. Judges4. mighty onesOkay Ed.So there are truly MANY elohim taught about in the scriptures, right?2 Kings 1:6This is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no elohim in Israel that you are sending men to consult Baal-Zebub, the elohim of Ekron?In this verse, the word…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2012,22:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,00:39)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2012,02:25)Jesus became inside the limits of the likeness of humanity……………You're talking gibberish here.Mike,That “gibberish” is an English definition of the word “in” according to Merriam-Websters online dictionary.Quote a —used as a f…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2012,23:27)The next mention of Him is in Genesis 19 when He is raining brimstone down from YHWH in heaven.Genesis 18:22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD.Three came to Abraham, right?  How many came to Lot?  Who is the one who stayed behind with Abraham while the o…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2012,23:25)Mike,Quote Lot refered to one of the two remaining men as “adonay” in verse 18.Adonay/adonai is a plural word and used in reference to both angels.Okay, but the Hebrew of verse 17 says, “HE said……….”, which prompts some versions (NIV, NASB) to render it as “ONE of them said…………”.  Then, in verse…[Read more]