journey,14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.That bolded part is the verb “hayah”, ie: yhwh.  A more literal translation is “and it SHALL BE that every…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2012,14:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 02 2012,01:45)I can show you MANY sources that agree it means “mighty” – including your beloved KJV, which translates “el” as “mighty” in Gen 23:6 and Psalm 82:1.  On the other hand, you cannot show me ANY instance where the word “el”, by itself, is translated as “Almighty”.  What does t…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2012,14:07)Hi Mike,”EL” means “almighty” when referencing YHVH, and 'mighty one' when referencing others.Then show me a scripture where the word “el” is referencing Jehovah, and is translated as “Almighty”.The truth is, when the word “el” refers to Jehovah, we can know it is referring to the Almighty el, because OTHER…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 01 2012,10:46)Mike”I am” and “I will be” have two totally different meanings.journey, the verb itself means “to be”.  Depending on context, it could mean “I am”, or “become”, or “I will be”, etc.  You must understand that Hebrew is much different than English.  Here, let me show you:Genesis 1:1In the beginning God cr…[Read more]

Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 31 2012,23:54)I can just quote some professor rebutting your professors as i already have!!Devo,Do you have reason to believe the Comma was in the AD 157 version of the Vaudois Bibles?  These Bibles ranged from 157 to 1400, right?  So it would be easy (albeit shady) for someone who knew the words were in the 1400 version t…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 30 2012,21:04)I can give you my evidence supporting the KJV, and you can give me yours and we can continue this discussion for another 500 pages, when the answer is not in books written about the bible, but in the bible itself.Which Bible is the answer in, journey?  The KJV? The NIV? NRSV? NASB? NWT?Let me give you an…[Read more]

Agreed Ed.  And like I said at least twice already, I don't blame the KJV translators for the error, for they were doing the best they could with what they had to work with.  The error actually came into play many years earlier, when a scribe decided to add what was a marginal note into the text – as if those words were written by John himself. A…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 01 2012,00:00)Mike, Read again all what I posted.I made it clear that when HE SAID SON OF GOD, HE MEANT GOD IN FLESH.IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LITERALLY MEANING.JESUS CALLED HEROD FOX.WAS HEROD A FOX???YOU WOULD DEFINITELY SAY NO!!No, you didn't “make it clear”, Charles.  You made a claim which I consider illogical and…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2012,00:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2012,11:55)I've been discussing this with Ed, but now that I think about it, EVERYONE who believes John 1:1 teaches that God Most High actually WAS the Word who was WITH God Most High in the beginning, must also believe that the following paraphrase of 1:14 is accurate………..14 God…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 31 2012,21:00)There are flames that destroy a soul and therefore there may also be flames that torment it; as well as water to comfort it.Fair enough.

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 01 2012,05:01) (Stick inside the scriptures Mike, the devil wants to send you on a wild goose chase to rely on information outside the Word.  The only place you will find truth is in the word)journey, we wouldn't even know what the word “truth” means if not for “outside sources” such as parents, teachers, and dictionaries.…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2012,00:35)…as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity)Ed,Your source has worded things confusingly.  Rearrange the words and you will get the meaning of what he is saying:Used as an adjective, the word “el” means mighty, and is used of any deity, but especially the Almighty.You are using a…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2012,00:28)……….lets take a look at the way you would say it:   'the mighty one – almighty'    does this make sense?“El Shaddai” means “The Almighty mighty one”.  If the word “el”, by itself, means “almighty”, there would be no need to add the “shaddai” part to the title, Ed.Nor can you say “The Almighty Breasted One…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2012,20:46)Robert Stephanus scribed the Textus Receptus.Are you suggesting that the majority of Greek texts that he had did not have the Johannine comma in them?I'm merely reporting the fact that only 9 mss out of 3054 known mss have the Comma.  And only 5 of those 9 have the extra words in the text – the other 4 have the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 31 2012,09:39)Mike………..Right and it also means every Hair has been numbed for a definite Purpose, and to me it is for reconstruction or regeneration or a resurrection, however you want to put it.Okay Gene.But just remember that this is your speculation, and not actually taught in the scripture.  We are told that…[Read more]

If the water and flames are symbolic, then perhaps the entire parable is symbolic.

So you have no logical answer then? You think that when Jehovah is called “El Shaddai”, it means “Almighty Almighty”? It's sad when people like you and Gene spit in the face of logic and fact because you don't want to be wrong. There is no evidence that the word “el” means “almighty”, Ed. There is much evidence that it means “mighty one”.

Quote (carmel @ Aug. 31 2012,11:51)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)  Do you understand that Jesus, who is “the Word of God”, is not “the word of God” that will be written on the hearts of men?Mike,SUBSTANTIATE YOUR STATEMENT PLEASE.THERE'S ONLY ONE WORD OF GOD AND THAT'S HIS SPIRIT IN JESUSActs 4:31 After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Aug. 31 2012,11:04)I can guarantee that the devil was more then sure when he called Jesus SON OF GOD, never mind confused, and in the same time he meant GOD IN FLESH.Charles,In what language does “Son OF God” mean “God in flesh”?Your claim is neither scriptural nor logical.

I've been discussing this with Ed, but now that I think about it, EVERYONE who believes John 1:1 teaches that God Most High actually WAS the Word who was WITH God Most High in the beginning, must also believe that the following paraphrase of 1:14 is accurate………..14 God Most High became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen God…[Read more]