Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 16 2012,09:42)And indeed Abraham rejoiced to see His Day (a future event), that also proves Jesus had not yet come into existence, or Abraham would have already been seeing his day, becasue he would have already been alive during his lifetime.Gene,I have rejoiced to see “The Day of the Lord”, as prophesied many times…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 14 2012,17:41)Mike,This is two verses where became/become is used and they do mean became/become in some form but not necessary born or exist.Kerwin,Here are the first two definitions of “ginomai”, according to NETNotes:ginomai 1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being 2) to become, i.e. to come to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 14 2012,18:47)It could be instead, as you seem to surmise, that the angel used his literal and material sword and not his wondrous powers.And therein is my point, Kerwin. For the angel's literal sword to be a weapon – or even a threat – it must be able to “touch” (do harm to) a human being.That shoots your theory…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 14 2012,18:36)Quick question: When Jesus appeared, was this prior to his raising to Heaven? I think he had not yet gone to the Father.If so, then this suggests that he was raised to the Earth in his physical suit. And after he was raised to Heaven, we know from the Book of Revelation that his hair is as white as snow, face…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup,You didn't answer the question I asked you.

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 14 2012,00:21)Mike,”Before Abraham became/to become” is the words while “Before Abraham came into existence” is an interpretation of the words.  As for “I am” we have the same kind of verb in English so why change it to fit you interpretation better.Kerwin,The following are the questions I asked you. Please DIRECTLY answer…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 13 2012,17:32)JOHN 5:19 † Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.It was GOD in Jesus the man, reconciling the world unto himself.So God on earth was saying h…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 13 2012,17:32)Before you laugh, just think,  the fulness of the Godhead, (or deity, no difference) was in Jesus.So just as I said before, God, the one and only, in Flesh.There is a BIG difference between “God” and “Godhead”, Marlin.  Let's just stick with the word “diety” here, since “Godhead” has been proven – by T…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,17:13)Hi Mike,Please explain how a servant is 'a mighty one'?Really Ed?Was the angel of God who killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night “mighty” from a human point of view?Was he not also a servant of his God?

Hi Ed,I will address your further points when you finally address the point I've been asking you to address, okay?

Quote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 14 2012,04:29)Mike,There was no “Jesus” until He was conceived in the womb. The pre-incarnate Christ (so as to not be confused with the Human Jesus) was a manifestation of the Father. I believe that this Manifestation was basically the first-born (prototype) in a glorified human body that we were modeled after and would…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 14 2012,10:33)Mike,That’s what is wrong with you as I already told you.You always compare God, and Jesus with MORTAL SINFUL CREATURES.Solomon and David are two INDIVDUAL identical CARNAL CREATURES IN EVERY SENSE.Okay,Let's change it to “Michael AND Gabriel” then. Am I speaking about TWO individual beings?How about “Jesus <…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 14 2012,01:13)JESUS HAD THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER WITHIN THAT BODY WHEN HE WAS ALIVE!!!therefore GOD IN FLESHCharles, “yet for us there is but one God, THE FATHER”.  If our ONE God is the Father, and Jesus had the spirit of the Father, then it is clear that Jesus is someone OTHER THAN the Father, therefore someone OTHER THAN…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 13 2012,17:57)I see God in some contexts as meaning the highest authority which could be more than one person existing in unity with another, acting in unity with another (what one does, the other cooperates), and both having authority together over all creation.That's also how the pagans see their gods, Kathi.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 13 2012,16:55)Mike,I am saying that when properly used the meaning of Godhead is the same as the words “theios”, “theiotes”, or “theotes”.Kerwin,It seems obvious to me that you can't find any current scholarly support for the translation of “Godhead” in those three KJV verses – or you would have shown that support by now.So…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 13 2012,16:31)Jesus already stated that Jehovah is his God and Father as well as being his disciples, John 20:17, so why would that teaching be contradicted by Philippians 2:6?Kathi?Do you think Paul was saying that Jesus was existing in the form of some other God than his own God? If so, which God would that be?Or do you…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 13 2012,16:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 07 2012,15:55)I asked Mike how many 'theos' are to be known, believed in, served, honored, and praised in order to have eternal salvation.Mike,You are correct that I missed the tail end of it.So why not give your NUMERICAL answer now?That also goes for Charles and jammin.Guys, what is the…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 13 2012,14:55)Mike,Jesus was never created,HOW ON EARTH JESUS CREATES HIMSELF???SINCE ALL WAS CREATED BY HIM, WHATEVER IS CREATEDAll things were created by God alone…………… THROUGH His holy Servant Jesus Christ.As Tertullian (a Trinitarian) aptly pointed out almost 2000 years ago:He who creates is one, and he through…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 13 2012,14:50)So THE FATHER REMAINED IN HEAVEN, AND IN THE SAME TIME HE WAS IN JESUSNo, GOD remained in heaven, and did signs and wonders THROUGH His holy Servant Jesus Christ, whom He had sent into the world.See? GOD is the being who remained in heaven. The SON OF GOD is the servant who was sent to die.

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 13 2012,14:50)In Jeremiah God is refering to Jesus as HIMSELF.Charles,Exodus 715 Go to Pharaoh in the morning as he goes out to the water. Wait on the bank of the Nile to meet him, and take in your hand the staff that was changed into a snake.17 This is what the Lord says: By this you will know that I am the Lord: With the…[Read more]