Jodi: We are given in Matthew the GENESIS/ORIGIN of Jesus Christ and it’s Abraham…

The origin of Jesus as Christ which thus makes him the ruler over Israel, however comes from being of the seed of Abraham. This is why Matthew says that he is giving us the book of the origin of Jesus Christ and that origin given is Abraham, not Adam.

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Jodi: Why didn’t the author just use the same word then, if it is suppose to read Abraham existed, I existed?

Because two different words are used that leaves an opening that the author speaking God’s word used two different words for the very purpose to establish a distinction.

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Mike: “In which part of Jesus’ response, exactly, is Jesus saying he is greater than Abraham? Which exact words?”

“Do you acknowledge that IF we translated the last part of 8:58 as a historical present, the EXACT phrase would be, “before Abraham existed, I existed”? Yes or No, please?”

 

Jodi:  NO

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Mike: PROCLAIMER, DOES THE PLURAL WORD “DAYS” EVER REFER TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN LITERAL DAYS IN THE BIBLE?  YES OR NO?  AND IF YES, SHOW THE SCRIPTURE(S) IN WHICH IT IS EXPLICITLY AND UNDENIABLY MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THESE DAYS ARE INDEED SOMETHING OTHER THAN LITERAL DAYS.

The first time I asked it, you ignored it.

The second time I asked…

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Okay.  Just remember to include the scriptures that deal with zooming things back up over the horizon when you ask your question.

Berean: The point is that YOU keep thinking that the raqia OF heaven is the entirety of heaven when it’s not.  The raqia OF heaven is NOT the first heaven where the clouds are.  The raqia OF heaven is not the third heaven where God dwells – outside of the physical world He created for us.  The raqia is ONLY the second heaven, where the sun, mo…

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Gene:  Mike ……Answer to you question is 1…yes, 2…yes, and 3… no.   There you go, now that i have answered your question…

Sorry Gene, but I’m going to need a valid REASON/EXPLANATION for your “No” answer on #3… or at least a DUPLICATION of the same answer for the following analogy so that we know you are being consistent, and not just flat ou…[Read more]

Mike: A model that came thousands of years AFTER a phenomenon that had already been witnessed by BILLIONS of people cannot possibly be said to “PREDICT” that phenomenon.

 

Pretender:  Reality check.

Tomorrow, the sun will set according to the heliocentric model so yes it predicts.

I can’t quite tell if this one is a matter of your stupi…[Read more]

Pretender:  I am not sure of the point being made.

Of course you’re not, because Danny didn’t take you by the hand and dumb things down for you, or make you a cartoon.

The point is that YOU keep thinking that the raqia OF heaven is the entirety of heaven when it’s not.  The raqia OF heaven is NOT the first heaven where the clouds are.  The ra…[Read more]

Pretender:  Moon cartoon clearly debunked.

Well, you certainly posted a lot of nonsensical words about it, but no, you didn’t debunk it.  I don’t know if I can make it easier for you than a cartoon, but here’s an attempt…

Pretender, the next time the moon is DIRECTLY above you, look at it while facing east.  Then turn around and look at it fr…[Read more]

@t8

You recently implied in 3 different posts that the writers of the Bible were lacking in knowledge about how our world really is.

Is that truly what you believe?  Yes or No?

*Honest and respectful questions deserve honest and respectful answers from people who are sincerely seeking nothing but the truth.

Mike: 1. ARE THE SUN, MOON, AND STARS IN THE RAQIA? YES OR NO?

2. ARE THE WATERS ABOVE THE RAQIA?  YES OR NO?

3. DOES THIS REQUIRE THE WATERS TO BE ABOVE THE SUN, MOON, AND STARS? YES OR NO?

 

Proclaimer:  1. Not sure. If the bible absolutely says IN then it is yes.

2. Not sure. If the bible absolutely says ABOVE then it is yes.

3. No.

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Gene:  Mike……Lets boil this down to a simple experment anyone here can do ok? ,  let all take a pair of cheep benouclars and and see for “ourselve” The ISS, “INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION”, and then go to the internet and find it, and the pictures it is transmitting to us 24 hours a day 365 days a year, and all see for ourselves if the earth is flat…

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Jodi:  I will address, “before Abraham was, I am” in my next post.

Great.  I read all your scriptures, and didn’t see any of them that refer to Abraham rejoicing to see Jesus’ day.  Just like you finally acknowledged that there are no prophesies to Abraham about a future ruler, you’ll have to honestly acknowledge that there are no script…[Read more]

Jodi:  Mike, unless I have missed it, you have not directly addressed the direct text of Matthew 1, please explain how you can reach the conclusion that Matthew is not actually giving us Jesus’s genetic origin, even though he clearly states that is exactly what he is doing.

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Jodi: Hi Mike,

There is a lot to clear up! I want to start with this,

YOU: 4. And is that because the “origin” of an event is not normally counted as the time the event was planned for the future, but the time the event actually began to occur? Yes or No, please?

ME:

My primary stance that I have given  concerning Micah 5:2, is the truth that…

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Berean: Hi Mike

Thanks for the encouragement….But I wonder if I will continue to post anything on this thread, if no one is interested, except for one or two…

Think of it this way… This site only has six active members.  If you’re reaching two of them, you’re reaching a third of the entire population!  😅

Gene and Proclaimer:

In the interest of a respectful dialogue about the sun “setting” (which it doesn’t actually do on a flat earth OR on a ball earth), I offer you a simple thought experiment to open things up…

Can you see an airplane above you at cruising altitude (about 7 miles up)?  Yes, we’ve all seen that.
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Pretender: You have been given dozens of proofs but you simply ignore them… Let’s start with the fact that the sun sets. The heliocentric model predicts it, but not the flat earth.

A model that came thousands of years AFTER a phenomenon that had already been witnessed by BILLIONS of people cannot possibly be said to “PREDICT” that phe…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike focus is indeed his “self”,  he has nothing to do with “honest” dialog.  He ignores clearly presented sound facts…

What you do is called “projection”, Gene.  It refers to a guilty party projecting the very things THEY do on onto someone else.  It is straight from Saul Alinsky’s book, “Rules for Radicals”.

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