Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,21:05)Mike,The first 'God' is a word that is in contrast to 'servant.'God would mean 'a type of nature that would be served as God.'So then like this?6 Who, being in very nature someone that should be served as God, did not consider equality with God (the Father) something to be used to his own…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,21:01)Mike,Quote But could you tell jammin that “God the only SON” is not a viable translation of “monogenes theos”?I think that jammin understands monogenes theos as the only begotten God. I think that what you have in quote marks, he means to say 'the only begotten God that is the only begotten Son.'No. He…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 20 2012,20:14)Mike,With all curiousity,What do you mean by Jesus being tempted? For example.Do you mean, Jesus had a desire to sin, but didn't?or something else?I didn't think you were serious at first, D. Are you unaware of the temptation of Jesus in the wilderness? I don't necessarily “have a desire to sin” when I…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,19:10)Mike,This is a good translation of Phil 2:6 to show you the view that fits best, imo.Philippians 2:6-11New International Version (NIV)6 Who, being in very nature God,    did not consider equality with God (the Father) something to be used to his own advantage;I'd like to add that footnote “A” in your t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,19:16)Mike,I heard a scholar talk about this and he explained how it can mean 'only unique kind' which an only begotten God would be.The Greek word “genes” comes from the word “ginomai”, which generally means “generated”. But Jesus can't LITERALLY be God's ONLY generated son, for God has generated many sons.I agree…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 20 2012,18:03)Moses was told to speak to the rock and he hit the rock.  For this mistake, he was not allowed to go into the promise land.The way I understood it, Moses' mistake was that he took credit for providing the water, when it was God who provided it.  (Numbers 20:10)Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 20 2012,18:03)2. Abraham l…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 20 2012,18:18)Quote Mike said,Pierre makes a compelling point, Marlin.  It is true that all men make mistakes in their life, but none of God's true prophets prophesied falsely – because the prophesies came from God, and not from their own minds.peace,mikeBrother Mike,And that is what this was Brother Mike, a man's…[Read more]

Yeah, I haven't quite got Rich figured out yet. I was assuming that he had the traditional Trinitarian view of one God consisting of three individual persons.Perhaps I'm wrong.

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,18:37)Men cannot be YHWH because of not having the right original eternal nature. One has to have original eternal nature to be YHWH.If one has “original eternal nature”, then there is no chance of that one ever dying. Jesus died. Paul says he cannot die AGAIN, because death NO LONGER has mastery over him.

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,18:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 19 2012,18:15)If human beings must go through a mediator to get to God, then the mediator cannot be the God we are going through him to get to.(Boy, that's an oddly worded sentence.   )How strange that you keep forgetting that one is the Father and one is the Son. The Son becomes the…[Read more]

Quote (Richtuner @ Oct. 20 2012,18:36)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)I could speak about the fruit, peel, and seed of a banana.  It wouldn't prove a triune God any more than Paul's words in 1 Thess 5:23 prove a triune God.This scripture has nothing to do with God and the Trinity, it has to do with man being triune.I agree that the scripture doesn't say…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 18 2012,17:26)I believe that when Christ says to LOVE YOUR ENEMIES HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST GODS WORD(SCRIPTURES)And do you consider Muslims to be “against God's word”? If so, Jesus told you to love them.Hate the sin, not the sinner, right?

Rich,I could speak about the fruit, peel, and seed of a banana. It wouldn't prove a triune God any more than Paul's words in 1 Thess 5:23 prove a triune God.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 20 2012,15:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 17 2012,04:08)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 16 2012,09:42)And indeed Abraham rejoiced to see His Day (a future event), that also proves Jesus had not yet come into existence, or Abraham would have already been seeing his day, becasue he would have already been alive during his…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,14:08)Mike.  You just don't get it.  It was a secret code, a hidden message that Jesus gave to us, which coincidentally supports the trinity belief.  “I am” mike.  It's so obvious. He said “I am,” a verb which is extremely rare and hardly ever used.  Why would he do that?  It was a secret message!That's what the Trini…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Oct. 19 2012,03:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 19 2012,09:28)Quote (jammin @ Oct. 18 2012,05:57)GOD is their nature. my example will always be you and your father. you are two in numbers but one in nature, HUMAN.We are of one nature because we both belong to the same SPECIES:  human being.Like I said, you and Kathi are DESCRIBING God…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Oct. 19 2012,03:36)the greek word says monogenes theos.it also means GOD THE ONLY SON.Not even in your wildest dreams does “monogenes theos” mean “God the only Son”.Ask your friend Kathi about it, jammin. She'll confirm what I'm telling you.

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 18 2012,23:59)YOU SAID:HOW ABOUT JESUS AND GABRIEL.JESUS IS THE CREATOR AND MEDIATOR, BY THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH THE FATHER  OF GABREAL!!!SO NO MATCH!!!GOD AND GABRIEL:GOD IS THE CREATOR BY JESUS'SPIRIT THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GABRIELSO NO MATCH!!!There is no scripture that says Jesus actually created anything.  The t…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 18 2012,22:28)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 19 2012,07:17)Mike,Comparing me to Jammin?So unwise, I am alot more clever and dangerously so.need blocks again