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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 03 2012,14:41)Mike,The 'begotten' part of only begotten is from a certain root word and is often confused with another root word. You may be looking at the wrong root word. I think you have to look into the correct Greek root word and an English dictionary is not going to be specific enough. What Strong's # is the root word…[Read more]

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    Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 03 2012,19:06)The “spirit” Jesus was referring to was a “ghost” (evil spirit)How would you know that?  First of all, Jesus used the word “spirit” – the same word Paul used when he said all angels are ministering “spirits”.  Surely angels aren't evil ghosts, right?Secondly, the disciples RECOGNIZED that the person there w…[Read more]

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    Hi Wakeup,I have never heard that the JW's think the Kingdom is here on earth, nor that they are the only ones invited to the party.Perhaps David will shed some light on this if he has the time.As for your post to Pierre, there are many things that we are understanding much differently.  I would like to discuss some of those things at a later…[Read more]

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    Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 03 2012,18:58)………Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty GOD, and everlasting FATHER, Prince of Peace………..Marlin,Unless you think the “Son Dispensation of God” IS the “Father Dispensation of God”, this scripture doesn't really do for you what you would like it to do.

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    Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 03 2012,18:31)Jesus SAID it was REVEALED by His Father to Peter. Jesus also confirmed exactly what it was that was revealed by the Father to Peter, right?  What WAS that revelation, upon which Jesus has built his church, Marlin?A.  Jesus is God Almighty?B.  Jesus is the SON OF God Almighty?Which one?  (Please DIRECTLY ans…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,22:39)You, t8 believes that YHWH is ONLY the God of gods and not also the Lord of lords. I believe that YHWH is both the God of gods and the Lord of lords.Matthew 11:25At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and r…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,22:20)t8,It is like you are almost getting it but then you don't. It really is simple and most Christians agree that the Father and Son are both YHWH. I don't know why you think I am the only one.How many organized denominations teach about our TWO Almighty Gods, Kathi?There is only you that I'm aware of.

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,22:16)Paul is not identifying the Father as the one YHWH or the one God in the fullest sense of the word.Hmmmm……………….. ???How do you know? From the other things Paul says about our “one God, the Father”, it seems to me that he considers Him to be “God in the fullest sense of the word”.What scriptural…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,22:10)Well, I differ in that I don't see from scriptures the Holy Spirit as an individual person with a separate will and mind.THAT'S where you differ? ??? How about the fact that Trinitarians believe in ONE Almighty God, while YOU believe in TWO? I'd say that the extra Almighty God is your main difference.

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    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,22:10)Here is what you are implicating:2) That Jesus was made both Lord and Christ, and that he has always been God too.She claims that Jesus was MADE Lord – even though he HAS ALREADY BEEN Lord from eternity.Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,22:10)You are drunk on your own doctrine and cannot reason or think clearly.Agreed.  That…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,21:18)The verse isn't meant to teach who YHWH is, Mike.So then it was useless for you to try and use that scripture as support for your “One Echad” thing, right? :)

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,21:03)Wisdom wasn't created, it was brought forth.Proverbs 8:22 NET © The Lord created me as the beginning of his works, before his deeds of long ago. NIV © “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; NLT © “The LORD formed me from the beginning, before he created anything else. MS…[Read more]

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    Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 03 2012,03:27)Jesus didn't lie to them.  A spirit does not have flesh and bones.A spirit does not have flesh and bones, LIKE YOU SEE I DO HAVE.  Ie:  Jesus was NOT a spirit at that time, because he DID have things that he said spirits DON'T have.Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 03 2012,03:27)Spirit has to manifest into something fo…[Read more]

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    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2012,04:06)They also believe that the kingdom of God is here,and they only are in that kingdom.Are you sure about that?

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    Quote (clyde @ Oct. 31 2012,13:24)WOW, I have been off here for 6 months and the same arguments by the same people continue. What is the fruit of that? How does that help me become like Christ?As opposed to Jesus himself, who just happily agreed with everything the Pharisees said?As opposed to the Apostles, who argued with others about various…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 03 2012,11:42)Mike, biblos is the Greek word for 'book' and the scriptures are referred to as 'the book.' Biblos is where we get the word  'Bible.'In which scripture are the scriptures referred to as “The Book”?

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 03 2012,11:36)Mike please provide the link to your source because my source for Strong's does not have 'generate' in it.Kathi,I've looked online briefly, and so far haven't found a site that has the EXHAUSTIVE Strong's Concordance.  But I assure you that it is in his exhaustive Concordance, otherwise the JW's would be…[Read more]

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    Kathi,Are you going to answer these questions?1. Does the Greek word “monogenes”, IN AND OF ITSELF, mean “only son”? YES or NO?2. Do the Greek words “monogenes theos”, IN AND OF THEMSELVES, mean “God the only Son”? YES or NO?3. Kathi, IF Paul was indeed talking about Jesus existing in the form of Jehovah, and not of some “god-kind species”…[Read more]

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    Quote (jammin @ Nov. 03 2012,06:39)the word Bible is in the bible mike.Kathi,Perhaps you'd be kind enough to show me the scripture that contains the word “Bible”, complete with capital “B”.jammin is too busy playing games to actually show the scripture that he says supports his claim. Would YOU show me that scripture?

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    Quote (jammin @ Nov. 03 2012,06:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2012,16:03)Quote (jammin @ Nov. 02 2012,02:44)who is that GOD that you are referring to?YHWH, jammin.  I'm referring to our ONE and ONLY Almighty God, YHWH.Does our ONE and ONLY Almighty God, YHWH, have a son named Jesus?  YES or NO?who is that YHWH?There is only one, jammin. And t…[Read more]

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