Moving on…

Genesis 3… 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, knowing good and evil…

So the serpent told Eve that eating from the tree would make her like the gods, knowing good and…[Read more]

Gene:  GOD the Father, who is Spirit, makes all things , “BY”, His Seven Spirits, the Seven Spirits “OF GOD”,   are the US,  mentioned there.

Thanks for you contribution Gene.  To me, the most obvious and natural understanding is that God was talking to other heavenly beings, likely His spirit sons who were there praising him and shouting for joy…[Read more]

Thanks for the response, Kathi.  The speaker of the words is identified as “God”.  And this “God” is clearly talking to at least one other person who is not the speaker who was identified as “God”.

Then in the following verse…

Genesis 1:27…  So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created them…

Here we learn that th…[Read more]

Mike:  Says the guy who is so ignorant on the issue that he doesn’t even realize that Big Bang, Deep Time Uniformitarianism and Common Descent Evolution aren’t even a part of science at all.

Proclaimer:  Are you trying to impress me with big words?

I’m making the point that these fantasy stories from Scientism that you blindly believe witho…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  You did add in the indefinite article. Greek only uses the definite article or none at all.

Hebrew doesn’t use an indefinite article either.  But I wonder why the KJV added those indefinite articles into the Bible 10,000 times.  Is it wrong of the translators (of EVERY SINGLE English Bible) to add indefinite articles to the He…[Read more]

Mike:  But it is impossible for Jesus to have any of the titles I listed while also being God.

LU:  Correction, it is impossible for Jesus to have any of the titles you listed while also being God the Father. It is not impossible for Jesus to have any of the titles you listed while being the One who is united with the Father as His Son in the Y…

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Mike:  PROCLAIMER, WHAT AND WHERE IS “UNDER HEAVEN” IN YOUR MODEL?

Proclaimer:  On land / a planet / could be the sea if you were on a boat. The heaven or heavens would be the sky.

So you claim that “the heavens” that God created is the vast universe filled with billions of galaxies, and trillions of planets and stars… yet the land and water…[Read more]

Mike:  Jesus is never definitively called Yahweh in scripture.

LU:  The Branch is Jesus who is called Yahweh our righteousness. 

You refer to Jeremiah 23:6, but the city of Jerusalem is also called by the same exact title in Jeremiah 33:16.  So unless you are willing to claim that the city of Jerusalem is also a part of the “Yahweh Unity of Spi…[Read more]

Mike: If you show me a scripture that clearly and undeniably teaches us about a previous “perfect earth”, I’m willing to learn about it. 

 

Carmel: Read this scripture HEREUNDER again please and answer:

IS HE TALKING ABOUT THE SIX-DAY CREATION?

YES OR NO Please!

No, it is God talking about punishing Judah for abandoning Him……[Read more]

Adam:   I am on neutral ground and without any bias on the ancient texts…

If that were true, you wouldn’t refer to the ancient people as “primitive” – as if you know for a fact that we are more intelligent today, rather than slowly becoming less and less intelligent.  That right there shows a major bias.

But all in all, you have certainly ta…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  So my question Mike is why doesn’t water at the bottom of the ocean get sucked into less dense water nearer the surface?

What does the Bible say about that subject?

Mike:  PROCLAIMER, IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURAL REASON FOR YOU TO SUSPECT THAT THE DAILY SUN-EARTH CYCLES – OR THE LIGHT-DARK CYCLES THAT PRECEDED THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUN – WERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN 24-HOUR CYCLES DURING THE CREATION PERIOD? IF SO, PLEASE PRESENT THAT SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE.

Proclaimer:  What? Lol. Day and night cycles before the sun? …

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Since there is clearly a lot of confusion and denial concerning the many gods in the Bible, I have started a new thread centered on that one subject.  When I came to HN, I didn’t know too much about the Trinity Doctrine – or even that there were people who believed Jesus didn’t preexist his time on earth.  It was through much discussion on this f…[Read more]

Hey, do any of you long-standing members here remember when we could have a “signature” that showed up at the bottom of our posts?

I remember that Proclaimer’s (t8’s) signature was:  A mistaken but honest man, once proven to be mistaken, either ceases to be mistaken or ceases to be honest.

That’s why I sometimes throw his own saying back in his…[Read more]

Mike:  Just because another person may also be a Lord of other lords, a King of other kings, or a Teacher of other teachers does not equate them with Yahweh – or make them a part of a Unity of Spirit with Yahweh.

LU:  True, however Jesus is also the giver of eternal life, the Lord of all creation, has all authority in heaven and on earth, is cal…

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Proclaimer:  What you engage in Mike is not science however. You are not qualified. At this stage, you are a person seeking to look at anything that backs up your predefined belief and discard anything that contradicts it. I have met people like this before. They were the Trinitarians. So enamoured by their doctrine, that all scripture, reason,…[Read more]

LU: Deut 10:17

For Yahweh your God, he is God of gods (Father), and Lord of lords (Son), the great God (the Father with the Son not apart from the Son, united into one Spirit)…

Kathi, is it possible that the Father (whose name is Yahweh) is both a God of other gods AND a Lord of other lords – and that this statement doesn’t have anything to do…[Read more]

Mike:  PROCLAIMER, AFTER THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUN (AND THEREFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE SUN-EARTH CYCLE), IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURAL REASON FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL DAYS (SUNRISE TO THE NEXT SUNRISE) DURING THE CREATION PERIOD WERE LONGER THAN 24 HOURS?

Proclaimer has ignored this question (and many others) for weeks – which is…[Read more]

Mike:  <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>PROCLAIMER, AFTER THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUN (AND THEREFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE SUN-EARTH CYCLE), IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURAL REASON FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL DAYS (SUNRISE TO THE NEXT SUNRISE) DURING THE CREATION PERIOD WERE LONGER THAN 24 HOURS?</span>

Proclaimer has ignored this question…[Read more]