Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2012,21:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:40)Well the Christian's God is the Father with the Son together with the Holy Spirit but Jesus' God is the Father whom He is God with together with the Holy Spirit.So then the disciples of Jesus were not “Christians”?  Because it is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:46)Is the Father a Lord of other lords, depends on the context. In some contexts yes………BINGO!  Now, you must admit that you have NOTHING except for your own, personal desires that cause you to think Deuteronomy 10:17 speaks of TWO.  You must admit, that since the Father alone IS a Lord over other lords, 1…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:38)Mike,Where specifically does it say that the church is one 'with' the Father and the Son but can't mean one 'in' the Father and the Son?Kathi,I've already painstakingly explained this.  Here, I'll try again:John 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:37)Do you deny that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are one? Yes or No?Yes. Now what?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:28)Mike,Do you believe that Moses is actually God or is he acting as God in that he speaks the words of God to Aaron?I believe Jehovah made Moses a god from Pharaoh's viewpoint, complete with his own prophet Aaron.  The signs and wonders Moses and Aaron performed were nothing less then acts of a god – from the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,13:55)I don't believe they, the created angel beings, are called elohim or theos.I haven't yet watched the video you linked about the divine council. But if you are going to believe in a separate species of being in heaven, who are not angels – will you say that they are uncreated?If not, then this point is really…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,13:55)What I do not see are angels called theos in the NT. If they are gods somewhere in the OT why aren't they 'gods' in the NT? I don't believe they, the created angel beings, are called elohim or theos.Deuteronomy 32:17 NIV © They sacrificed to demons, which are not God—gods they had not known, gods that re…[Read more]

Okay? Post a verse or two in Hebrews 1 that you think says Jesus is God both as Spirit and flesh.I know Heb 1:2 says that GOD spoke to us THROUGH His Son. This speaks of TWO, Charles – one of whom spoke through the other.1:2 also says that GOD created all things THROUGH Jesus. Again, this speaks of TWO – one who created, and one through whom…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,13:45)One was the original and the other was within the original …………..So then there was only ONE original? Who is the “original” God, Kathi? The Father or the Son?

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 01 2012,14:50)GOD THE FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT WAS IN JESUS WHO IS FLESH. OK???SO THE SPIRIT (GOD)WAS IN THE FLESH.( JESUS)OK???OR PROPERLY STILLGOD IN FLESH OK???WHAT'S WRONG WITH :GOD IN FLESHThere is a big difference between God being IN flesh, and that flesh person BEING God.God can also be in any one of us, but that will…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 01 2012,12:57)WE ARE SUBJECTS ONLY TO HIM NOT TO THE FATHER.Oh brother! Charles, what you practice is called “diversion flooding”. There used to be a member here named “Worshipping Jesus”, who was a master at this technique. The idea is to fill each post with SO MUCH stuff, that it would take the other person hours to…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 01 2012,00:13)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Jesus is still a servant of his God, Charles. (Acts 4:30, etc.) So God is serving the Son till He makes His Son’s enemies His footstool.So if Jehovah gives me the strength to move a mountain, He is my “SERVANT”?  I am the “MASTER” of God Almighty because He helps me?   Well, if the fact tha…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 01 2012,00:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,12:24)WHO is that God you speak of?  And who is the Son of that God?God the Father was not in the position to perform justice in the truth!!!This is just nonsense, Charles. Is there an actual answer to my question somewhere in that manifesto? If so, then please post that answer…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 30 2012,23:45)IT IS THE SON'S THRONE, IT IS HIS DON'T FORGET! NOT THE FATHER’S,YET!!! AND THERE WON’T BE ANOTHER ONE LIKE IT, AND SUPERIOR TO IT, NOT EVEN WHAT THE FATHER OWNS RIGHT NOW, SINCE IT EVENTUALLY WOULD BE OWNED BY THE FATHER ON THE LAST DAY!!!You are confused, Charles. Jesus will rule forever, not from God's thr…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2012,21:26)RO 1:3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,IT SAYS “WHO(Christ) WAS BORN OF (MARY) A DESCENDANT OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH 'Pierre,I clearly understand the point you are making.  But Galatians 4:4 says that Jesus was “born of a woman”.  And Hebrews 2:17 says J…[Read more]

Gene,Romans 8:29 King James Version For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Happy holidays to you as well. I don't know you, because I joined after you left. I have seen some of your posts from the past, but I haven't read them closely enough to know what you believe about God.And I'm not sure what an “agnostic atheist” believes.

journey,Excellent additions to the original list!  I thought I was the only one who felt this way about “born again”.Kerwin,I agree with all you stated in your post.  I just don't understand how Jesus pre-existing changes one letter of what you stated.Pierre, Excellent question to David, ie:  Who is working in those PARENT'S minds/souls so that th…[Read more]

We'll get her back on the right track eventually…………… maybe.

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 30 2012,05:17)Yes Jesus is called a God in Scripture in a few places I have seen, but it has nothing to do with John 1:1.Why do you say that?  Consider what we know from scripture:1.  Jesus IS callled a god, like you said.2.  Jesus IS called “the Word” in Rev 19:13.3.  All things were said to have been created through “the Wor…[Read more]