The answer to the question of this thread is:Jesus was not raised immediately from the dead as a spirit being. (Luke 24:39)He is, however, now a spirit being in heaven. (1 Cor 15:45, 50)

In what context, Ed? Give me the scripture, and I'll give you my answer.

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2013,07:12)The Lamb is not the Holy spirit.The Holy spirit is send by Jesus.Greater is he that send than he that is send.John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, **I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU**.Amen!

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,09:49)Hi Mike,Should you not be willing to explore the possibility I may be right?Ed:  Jesus' second coming was at Pentecost.Paul:  Way AFTER Pentecost, and AFTER we have all received the Holy Spirit, we STILL await the second coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ.Sorry Ed, but there is NO possibility that you are right on t…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,09:46)And yes, Jesus was made a priest after the order of Melchizedek.That's right, Ed. Jesus was appointed as High Priest, not by the Law, or by legal regulation, or as a descendent of Levi…………. but by a sworn oath (word) of God himself.Heb 7 speaks about Jesus being made PRIEST by a sworn oath (word) from God.…[Read more]

From Webster's Dictionary:godany of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of natureThere are MANY beings who fit this definition. Only one of those beings created the heavens and the earth. Only one of those beings is the Most High God and the God of…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2013,01:04)do not make any conclusions mike. read the context wellRead the context of my last post to you well, jammin. And then answer the question: Why do you only agree with some of the words of your Lord and Savior?

Ed,What Wakeup is saying is that you seem to purposely misuse scriptural words, and force them to align with your doctrine.  A good example is how you use Hebrews 7:28 to force your view that Jesus was created by the Word of God – when it is SO CLEAR from the context that Paul is talking about Jesus being appointed to High Priest by an oath God…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,09:38)And to be fair, if Jesus raises us up on “The LAST Day”,by the same definition (1,000 year/day,) the first resurrection could be on year one,and the second resurrection could be on day 999; that would make both resurrections technically on “The LAST Day”, right?Hmmmm………. Interesting. I'm not sure on this…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 13 2013,03:12)Mike, I will definitely go with “Son”.Okay 2B.  You prefer “son”, and Ed prefers “son”.  Kerwin is undecided, and I believe either word fits the context just fine.So let's just go with “son” for now.Your understanding is that John was writing about the Word of God from verse 1 all the way up to verse 16, and t…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 13 2013,02:35)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 12 2013,04:26) Now if Jesus said “only” then that means there are no others……..Amen Gene, I agree Mike with Gene. Good points.But then you make a dilemma for yourself, 2B, because you've already acknowledged in this thread the fact that Jesus IS called “god” in a few…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2013,09:48)Hi Mike,What 'important mss' have the words 'begotten god' in John 1:18?Do a little research into it, Ed.  You can start by clicking on the link I posted in the 8th post on page 59 of this thread.

According to YOU, Jesus is not a god. According to the inspired written word of God, he is. Hmmmm………… which one to believe?

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,05:28)Hi Mike,Phil 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ:This is talking about the resurrection, not Jesus second coming                    (which occurred in spirit form on “Pentecost”).Ed,Why is Paul “looking for” his Savior from heaven if he had alrea…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 11 2013,14:54)THE WORDS: WITH YOURSELF SIGNIFY THAT JESUS AS A SPIRIT WAS IN THE SAME GLORY OF THE FATHER THEREFORE ETERNAL.“Jesus as a spirit” is a far cry from “the spirit of Jesus”.I agree that Jesus existed as a spirit being before he existed as a flesh being on earth.But it was the same PERSON in both cases. And that…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 11 2013,13:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,10:44)Quote Charles, do you seriously believe that Jesus didn't exist until he was born of Mary on earth? Mike, Luke 1:31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt CALL HIS NAME JESUS. Answer.When did Jesus born?Peace and love in…[Read more]

John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”jammin, Jesus has but one Father.  It is clear that Jesus' Father is the same Father that the true disciples of Jesus have.  It seems that you agree…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,17:02)God did certainly say: “I the LORD, I change not” (Mal 3:6)Yet Jesus DID change, right jammin?He changed from “in the form of God” to “made in the likeness of a human being”. Then he changed from “alive” to “dead”. Then he changed from “dead” to “alive”. And from “flesh” to “spirit”.That's sure a lot of…[Read more]

It's not as cut and dry as that in this case, Ed.  There are important mss that have “son”, and other important mss that have “god” in that verse.To me, it doesn't really matter, for we already know Jesus is the only begotten son of God, who is also a god – according to many scriptures.   Either translation is fine with me.I do, however, tend to a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 11 2013,03:30)Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,14:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,12:30)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2013,12:05)God desires to gather mankind under his wings but mankind is not willing, Luke 13:34.It was Jesus who said the words of Luke 13:34.I agree with Kerwin Lk 13:34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill t…[Read more]