Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,21:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2013,10:47)What Paul says in 1 Cor 8:5 is, For even if there are those called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many gods and many lords)…………Paul says nothing about “so-called gods” or “false gods”.  Those phrases are the inventions of men who think they…[Read more]

Hi 2B,Since you sidestepped my point with that pitiful attempt to equate the addition of the indefinite article “a” with the addition of OTHER words, I will re-direct you to it:What would happen if you read 1:14 the way it was actually written – without adding in your own word?How would your understanding change if you were not allowed to ADD your…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 15 2013,14:58)Scriptures tell us that only ONE GOD ALONE existed and that that one God alone created all that we see, therefore, when it says that the Word was with God and the Word WAS God, surely that must be truth.Scripture teaches that only God has existed from eternity, and that everyone and everything else has had a…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 15 2013,14:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2013,12:16)2B, are you so proud that you are willing to add your own words into the scriptures, thereby changing the entire teaching John wrote down for us?  Or are you humble enough to let the scriptures teach YOU – instead of the other way around?Mike, are you so proud that you are…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 15 2013,15:05)Mike, is a man and his spirit one?Matthew 26:41……..the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.Which part above is the man, 2B?Is it ever said in scripture: the spirit OF man?If it is (which it is), it is clear evidence that the spirit OF man cannot actually BE the man it is OF.The word “OF”…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 13 2013,20:28)i have no problem with the words of my Lord and savior mike.Well,Your Lord and savior told us that our one heavenly Father was also his one heavenly Father. With this part, you agree, right?But in the same sentence, your Lord and savior told us that our one God was also his one God. Why don't you agree with…[Read more]

jammin? Is that what you believe is meant in Malachi 3:6?It's funny how all the Trinitarian early church fathers like to point out that God is immutable (never-changing). Do you agree with them, jammin?

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 14 2013,15:16)No Mike, HE WAS:THE BEGINNING OF CREATION, BUT THAT IS A FAR CRY FROM :THE FIRST CREATION OF GOD!GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF CREATIONNo Charles,God is the Creator – not the “beginning of the creation by God” – as Jesus is called in Rev 3:14.If it was just that one scripture, you could MAYBE get away with PRETENDING…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 14 2013,15:16)It took MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF YEARS TO BECOME WHAT HE IS NOW, SO HOW ON EARTH HE IS THE SAME PERSON???Well, Jesus can't possibly be God then, Charles. God is immutable. And it seems you believe that Jesus did lots of changing.

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 14 2013,15:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13 2013,03:35)“Jesus as a spirit” is a far cry from “the spirit of Jesus”.Mike,Do you mean that :GOD'S SPIRIT, is different fromTHE SPIRIT OF GOD???Nope. I mean “God as a spirit being” is a far cry from “the Spirit OF God”.In one case, you are talking about God Himself.  In the other,…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,15:49)Jesus was therefore Part of God before the world was created………….Ed,In the three years we've been talking on HN, I never suspected you believed such a thing. Are you saying that something that WAS God became someone who WASN'T God any longer?

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 13 2013,14:01)Mike,Before the world began,Jesus'spirit was in one glory with the Father's spirit, therefore with God. He never had a name yet!Where can I read what you said in scripture, Charles?Also, you didn't answer my “Michael” question. Could God cause Michael to become flesh, and have his earth parents name him…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,09:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2013,02:54)Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,09:49)Hi Mike,Should you not be willing to explore the possibility I may be right?Ed:  Jesus' second coming was at Pentecost.Paul:  Way AFTER Pentecost, and AFTER we have all received the Holy Spirit, we STILL await the second coming of our Lord, J…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,15:04)Hi EdJ, The Day of the Lord (Return of Jesus) has not come yet, all of the writers in the NT were waiting for the day (future) and explanations were given as to what that day would be………………….Good post, 2B.

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,18:56)Here is your answer: As Christ, my spirit is equally “one” with God; taking nothing away from God.And this is the same mind we should all have within ourselves, Ed?  This info is from the JW's:Philippians 2:5, 6:KJV reads: “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, tho…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 13 2013,16:22)HAVE THIS MIND IN YOU ALSO.So the other translations are telling us (according to their translation) to think it not robbery to be equal to God!?Good point, 2B.  Your RSV has translated that verse correctly.  The 1984 NIV has it the same way as the RSV, but the 2011 version has did not consider equality with G…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 13 2013,14:36)There are many 'so called gods' separate from the Father who is the only true God with Jesus who now works with God the father in authority and can also rightly be called God (remember the stories in the OT where Angels were also called YHVH).Hi 2B,Just so you know, there is no such phrase in all of scripture as…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,10:26)You can't just sweep this verse under the rug Mike.Isaiah also talks about Jehovah being the only Savior.  Does that mean Jesus is NOT our Savior?  Or does it mean Jesus IS Jehovah?Ed, we've been through this over and over and over.  You ran away from my “Indeed there are many gods” thread, yet keep bringing up th…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 13 2013,14:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2013,03:56)From the fullness of his (the Word's) grace we have all received one blessing after another, since grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Hi Mike,I see in a way Jesus (the flesh) and the Word as being one…Point #2………John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 13 2013,14:38)Hi Mike,For me I don't have a problem with it because I see the Word of God (God's Logos) being clothed in flesh (Being IN Jesus) so I can understand the wording of the whole chapter as meaning the Word and Jesus (the man) at the same time.2B,Since you can see verses 1 thru 18 applying to either Jesus or the…[Read more]