Quote (jammin @ Jan. 18 2013,00:12)Christ is not the father. of course that is what the bible says.Actually, the Bible says that Jesus is the Messiah, Servant, Lamb, Prophet, Priest, and Holy One OF God, jammin.If Jesus was just ONE of these things OF God, it would be clear to all sensible people that Jesus couldn't possibly BE the God he was that…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,16:37)T,Do you believe the Son of man is a human?Pierre and I believe just what the scriptures teach us: The Son of Man was existing in the form of God, was made into the likeness of a human being, died as atonement for our sins, was raised up to heaven, and now sits in his new, glorious, spiritual body at the right…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,16:51)I can't believe you are having this discussion without me.Which discussion, David? The one about whether or not Jesus is the only flesh being in heaven?Or the one about angels “materializing” bodies at will?

Hi Marlin,Try that question again in English, please.

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,19:14)Quote (2besee @ Jan. 20 2013,10:38)Me and Gene and Kerwin and Ed J and others understand each other even if we may not quite understand the totality of what the others understand, as we are all at different stages as well.Yes, I agree as well!I suggest you BEGIN your scriptural understanding by NOT ADDING YOUR OWN…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,18:57)Mike,”For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”This has happened.Think about this as fulfilled prophecy.Jesus has been called all of those things by…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,17:44)I have never liked answering questions.I suppose if my doctrine was based on whatever I WANTED to be the truth, and not on what the scriptures actually teach, I wouldn't like answering questions either.

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,17:38)……….the scriptures say:Deuteronony 4 To you it was shown, that you might know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides him. “Don't those same inspired scriptures say, “there are those called gods, in heaven and on earth, as indeed there ARE many gods…”?Didn't Jehovah Himself foretell that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 19 2013,17:21)Mike ……… Neither were more important then the other…………..So then Jesus and John were EQUALLY our “Lord” on earth? And the only name under heaven by which we can be saved is “Jesus AND John the Baptist”?Hmmmmm……………..

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,16:20)In the KJV John's words of verse 15 speaks of “he” while verse 30 speaks of “a man”.And? ? ?Do you seriously think that John said those same exact words about TWO DIFFERENT entities?You are scraping the bottom of the barrel with your “he” versus “a man” argument.  It is for this reason I “quiz” you guys on your…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 19 2013,15:30)The Father God used both of those men and both were of great importance in the plan of God.Gene,As usual, you chose to rant instead of actually answering my question.Here's another question for you:Which of those men was MORE important than the other one for God's plan?

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,12:53)Mike,The Word made flesh is Jesus Christ since the Word was made flesh in him.Kerwin,Let's examine your statement:The Word made flesh is Jesus Christ………You are correct that the Word is Jesus Christ.  You are incorrect in your random combination of Greek nouns and verbs, linking them together hap-hazardly…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,01:33)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,20:30)Mike,I am not even sure where questions are.  I like to converse and not just be quizzed.Amen, Mike, sorry but, me too.Really guys? You can't answer my other 8 questions with the simple, one-word answers they need? And now, you PRETEND like you don't even know what I'm…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,01:11)GYou say that Christ his born of a women ,and declare Christ more important as your explanation ,but Christ himself says that from all the man born of a woman John the Baptist was the greates Mat:11:11You have your opinion mixed upGreat point, Pierre. Gene, do you think that Jesus considered John the Baptist…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2013,23:51)Mike……..Your problem is with the word before………….Gene,I'm not even talking about the word “before”. I'm showing you that the SAME EXACT words were said by John about the Word and about Jesus.Don't you find that odd if Jesus is not the Word?

On a side note, Wakeup is one of the many who believe angels can “materialize” flesh bodies at will.I have never held this belief, and I don't think Kerwin does either.But consider, Wakeup:  If you believe Jesus is now a spirit being – never again to be flesh; and you believe that all eyes will see him coming on the clouds with his angels, then…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2013,16:58)………he was also taken up into heaven in the flesh and he wii return back to this earth in the flesh soon. IMO Peace and love to you all…………………..geneHi Gene and All,Many people assume, because of the words of Acts 1:11, “Jesus will come back in the same way you have seen him go into…[Read more]

Okay,Since apparently, none of you non-preexisters cares to actually answer my 8 simple questions from the other post, I'll move on to my next point:John 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”It seems we all (Kerwin, 2B, and myself)…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 17 2013,23:27)Mike.Quote ….who came from the Father……..2.  Who “came from the Father”?  (John 16:28 will help you with this one.)A whole lotJohn the Baptist, John 1:6;His baptism, Mark 11:30;everything a man receives, John 3:27.The Christ, The word of God, Isaiah 55:11Good Kerwin.Now, which of your answers came from t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 17 2013,20:06)Mike,So Scripture is stating grace and truth comes from he that is full of grace and truth and by Jesus Christ.So then you understand it this way:14  The Word came from the Father, full of grace and truth.16  From the fullness of his (the Word's) grace we have all received blessings.17  Oh, and by the way, Gr…[Read more]