Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 22 2013,19:55)So, Mike, when you say all other things were created through Jesus, then you must admit that all other things were not directly created by the Father. Do you see that?Not at all, Kathi……… because none us know exactly what the words “through Jesus” mean.Was Jesus like a prism that God refracted light…[Read more]

Humans are equal to all beings, including powerful angels and even Satan, in regard to our relationship with our heavenly Father.He is, after all, the Father of Spirits as well as our Father.  Has not one God created us all – including Mike, Gene, Michael, Gabriel, Satan, and Jesus? Surely that fact doesn't mean that Satan has never been…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2013,21:06)Quote (jammin @ Jan. 20 2013,04:34) he cant be a servant of his own boy.And who is he a servant of? Do you agree that when scripture says Jesus is a servant of “God”, the word “God” is referring to the one and only Almighty God who created all things? YES or NO?

Hi t8 and All,My point still stands, from what I can tell:At whichever level you decide that humans are made of something OTHER THAN God, you have also decided that God is not everywhere, IMO.Can anyone give me reason to think anything different? AS I see it, if God is literally everyWHERE, then He has no choice but to also be everyTHING.

There is only one of the choices that was taught in scripture by Jesus.  I will truly be rejoicing with Jesus, for I believed him when he said he was the Son of God, and that our God was also his God.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 22 2013,02:28)Philippians 2:6New Living Translation (NLT)6 Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.jammin,One cannot possibly be equal wth HIMSELF. If Jesus actually WAS God, then his “equality WITH” God is something that could never be discussed.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 22 2013,02:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2013,12:18)Quote (jammin @ Jan. 20 2013,04:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 20 2013,14:19)Actually, the Bible says that Jesus is the…………..1)Messiah2)Servant3)Lamb4)Prophet5)Priest6)Holy One …….OF God, jammin.what a funny doctrine mike LOLjammin,Do you believe the scriptures that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2013,14:28)No, Jesus is not the Father but Jesus nature is God!Didn't you just say “God” was a “title”? Explain to me how “God” is a “nature”, Keith.

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 22 2013,04:04)It doesn't change the meaning of the word 'representation'.If something represents a hammer, then is it that hammer?Actually, the Greek word usually translated as “representation” is “charakter”. A “charakter” is the engraving tool that stamped an image into metal. They used to show one at the end of certain movies…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 21 2013,23:39)Of course the Son is not the Father!And who does scripture says is our only God?1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father……..Paul says our one God IS the Father.John 20:17I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.Who do you suppose Jesus meant when he said “my…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 21 2013,23:39)A dog begets dog, etc, etc.If it started out that there was only ONE dog in existence, then THE Dog would beget A dog. But the begotten dog would not be THE Dog who begot him.I believe that THE God beget A god. In fact, scripture bears me out on this point.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 21 2013,23:39)But unlike you I don’t believe Jesus is something “less” than God like you……….Do you believe the son of the king is also the king? Do you believe the son of the President is also the President? Do you believe the son of the Prime Minister is also the Prime Minister?Of course not. Why then would…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 21 2013,23:39)Well then the words of the Apostle in Hebrews 1:3 are useless because he makes a “distinction” between the Angels and Jesus.Actually, the Greek word is “aggelos”, which means “messenger”. To which scripture do you refer?

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 21 2013,20:12)Perhaps when we consider we are made of atoms, and atoms are made of neutrons, protons, electrons, and electrons are made up of quarks, and if we keep going, perhaps the smallest and deepest thing is God's Spirit.Okay, let's follow that reasoning for a minute.  Let's say that God's Spirit IS what quarks are made of.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2013,00:36)So if at 10:am you have 100 groups of three gathered in his name how could he be “IN THE MIDST” OF THEM IF HE IS NOT Omnipresent or GOD?Let me use your scriptural reference to make my point, Keith:If Jesus is ONLY in the midst of groups of three or more who are presently gathered in his name, then the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 21 2013,23:39)That would mean that they are sons of God as equally as Jesus, is that what you believe?Absolutely – with the exception that Jesus was the FIRST son God ever created, and all the other spirit sons of God were created BY God and THROUGH His FIRST son, Jesus.God is spirit, Keith.  So is Jesus.  So are t…[Read more]

Yes. And by that statement, I meant that Jesus is the only thing that wasn't created BY the Father THROUGH Jesus. All other things were created through Jesus.Of course you know this is how I believe, and you know I never meant to imply that Jesus was the “direct” creator of all other things.

Keith, Jesus says that our God is also his God. The God of Jesus is the Father alone, right? Therefore, the God of us is also the Father alone, right?If not, then how do you explain the fact that Jesus said his God was also our God?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2013,01:32)But if that is not enough for you then how about this…The Father loveth the Son, and hath given “all things” into his hand. Jn 3:35Romans 8:32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us “all things”?Now what?  Will we also be Go…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2013,01:31)Mike Why don't you highlight the rest of the scripture?…it is clear that this does not include God himself, “who put everything under Christ”.Keith,Why would you point us right back to the very word Paul just got done making a disclaimer about? Remember that Paul said the word “everything” does not…[Read more]