Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2013,04:57)MikeB.How can the anointed Cherub(satan) be man just like us?You misunderstood my post, Wakeup. Gene was claiming that because our Father and God is also Jesus' Father and God, Jesus couldn't have been anything except for a man – exactly like the rest of us.I was pointing out that Jehovah is also the God and…[Read more]

Gene knows a different Jesus from the one taught in the scriptures.He knows a man who was never anything but a human being, just like us.  This normal man hit the lottery of all lotteries when God approached him and said, “Look dude, you're going to eventually die like all men do, right?  But I'm going to make you a deal.  I want your death to be…[Read more]

It seems like you know Keith.  Here's another, along the same lines:Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.According to this scripture, is Jesus the God of the patriarchs?  Or the servant OF that God?I worship the God of Abraham, not His servants – just like His holy servant Jesus t…[Read more]

But there would be no “free agents” if God, the conscience, was truly EVERYWHERE, all the time.

Wakeup,With which part of Gene's post do you disagree?Did you know the Greek word “proskuneo” can either mean “God-worship” or “reverence given to any man”?When Trinitarian translations render certain scriptures as “they WORSHIPED Jesus”, the word “proskuneo” is better translated “bowed before”, “did obeisance to”, or “showed reverence to”.Here's…[Read more]

Keith, Jesus says that our God is also his God. The God of Jesus is the Father alone, right? Therefore, the God of us is also the Father alone, right?If not, then how do you explain the fact that Jesus said his God was also our God?

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,20:15)Hi Mike,As you can see in this verse, there are two here, 'the son of man' and 'the Holy Spirit'.Yes, Gene and others here think they also have the spirit, or whatever, that enables them to decide which words of Jesus came from the man, and which came from God inside of him.Anyway, I need a DIRECT answer to my…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2013,19:07)Through these men particularly the hope was made flesh, the dream came true.Well, I admit I never thought you'd even find such an odd statement.Now tell me, in what way was the hope “made flesh”, Kerwin?I understand it as, “the hope we had now had a human face to it – the faces of these particular men”.How do YOU…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,19:59)…….i believe that the Holy Spirit was not 'begotten' but has always existed with the Father. I believe that the 'begotten' son of God was Jesus.So then “the Word”, who became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten, could not possibly have been the Holy Spirit, right?(Btw 2B, you…[Read more]

If God is an “eternal conscience”, then all the vile, filthy thoughts mankind thinks are from God.I'm glad you agree that God is not literally “everywhere all the time”. Not one scripture actually teaches such a thing.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 24 2013,18:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2013,10:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2013,21:06)Quote (jammin @ Jan. 20 2013,04:34) he cant be a servant of his own boy.And who is he a servant of?  Do you agree that when scripture says Jesus is a servant of “God”, the word “God” is referring to the one and only Almighty God who…[Read more]

Okay 2B,Back to school.Hebrews 1 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”1.  Who is the “God” mentioned in…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,19:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2013,14:21)To ALL:WHO, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, IS THE “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD?My answer is “Jesus Christ”.  1 John 49 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2013,18:44)Notice Scripture calls the spirit of a man, man.The word “man” is genitive, Kerwin. It is correctly translated into English as “of man”. Or, more accurately, “who AMONG man” – as the NET and NIV translate it.

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,13:20)Hi 2besee,No, I do not agree with Mike and T that the Son was a god.Kathi,Do you believe John 1:1 speaks of the Father both times the word “theos” is used?  Or do you believe it speaks of TWO, different theos – one of whom was WITH the other?

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2013,12:43)It is easy to see that the only begotten is the Spirit and Jesus is the Chief of those that he has revealed/declared God too.Oh brother!  Is anyone else seeing this?  Kerwin is making his case that the HOLY SPIRIT is the “only begotten Son of God”!  Kerwin, there is not one thing in those scriptures you quoted th…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 23 2013,02:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2013,13:51)Quote (2besee @ Jan. 22 2013,14:28)Quote (2besee @ Jan. 23 2013,09:08)Mike, so if according to you, another god made the earth too,Correction, according to you and others, through. (same thing).I disagree that it is the “same thing”, 2B.Tertullian wrote:  He who creates is…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 23 2013,02:11)It is God's own spirit (not another “god”).2B,It has become clear to me that I've given you way to much leeway. You are not DIRECTLY addressing any of my points, and just keep claiming what you WANT to be the truth, despite the clear, scriptural evidence to the contrary.I now realize I'll have to “buckle down”…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 23 2013,01:37)Could you show me where exactly it says that 'Angels are called “gods”'? I must have missed it, thank you.Perhaps what you said was that angels of God are called “YHWH” in scripture.  Did you say that one?Anyway, it matters not if you said it:Judges 1321 When the angel of the Lord did not show himself again to…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 23 2013,01:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2013,12:44)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 22 2013,11:45)I met Mike and so hope was made flesh.Okay, good.  Now at least you are using the word “was” in your sample.  Can you find me an example from anywhere in history where someone wrote similar words that would give creedence to your example s…[Read more]