Mike:  Kathi, your doctrine calls for you to pick and choose which member of the Yahweh Unity is speaking or acting each and every time the Bible says Yahweh or God said or did something.

LU:  The whole Bible calls for the reader to follow along and seek to understand who is speaking and to whom. Nothing new when it comes to the words of the Y…

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Berean: In Gen 3:5…Satan speak : your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 

gods= strange gods

In Gen 3:22…God the Father speak Behold, the man has become as one of us, knowing good and evil…       

us=FATHER  AND SON

Thanks Berean.  You made your answer perfectly clear that time! 👍   I (and most people) un…[Read more]

Berean:  In Genesis 3:22, God speak about HIMSELF AND about HIS Son like in Genesis 1:26.

LU:  YHVH Elohim, i.e. the God of gods and the Lord of lords who is the Father and  the Son. The same YHVH elohim that made man in their image.

Thank you both so much for your honest and direct answers.  Kathi understands the plural word “elohim” to be ref…[Read more]

Berean:  Mike, I agree with that.
Satan with his theories on gender, what a plague!

Satan has his iron in a bunch of different fires.  His attempts to destroy God’s order and instructions for mankind began with Eve in the garden, and continue on to this day.

But Berean, when you see how the people of the world are currently (and very obviously) b…[Read more]

Carmel:  I DON’T ALSO NOT ONLY DON’T BELIEVE EITHER OF THOSE THINGS BUT I NEVER SAID SO!

It seems to me that you’re always trying to slip your way out of things you claimed after I expose them scripturally.  It’s either that, or I apparently don’t have the mental ability (or disability?) to understand your teachings.

This whole mind-numbing exper…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  However, I agree that the MSM and Social Media are biased and only report stories that are pro-vaccine because they are being paid for this. For example, I do believe that Myocarditis is way more common than is reported. But it is censored so as to not empower the antivax movement.

This entire thing backfired on them, IMO.  If they h…[Read more]

So Biden’s new nomination for Supreme Court was asked if she could define what a woman is.  This nutjob said, “No… I’m not a biologist.”

Well I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is.  🙄

Anyway, in an effort to protect this pedo-freeing judge from her own stupidity, the MSM stepped in…

This is a good example to illustrate the difference b…[Read more]

Here is my “Must Answer” question for you…

Exodus 20:11… For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day…

Exodus 31:17… for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he rested…
Proclaimer, do you agree with God Himself in the scriptures above that the…[Read more]

Okay, we’re currently waiting for you to produce other scriptural instances where a named person is quoted or has an action attributed to him, and we have to pick and choose out of two possibilities who that person actually is.

And we’re waiting for an example where a group of more than one person is referred to as “he” in the Bible.

Kathi, you solicited Adam about the Targums before he said anything to you in the “Gods” thread.  And he even responded by asking what the Targums have to do with the many gods of the Bible we were discussing in that thread.

You also linked a video: “Who is the Higher Power YHVH Elohim” – which certainly doesn’t sound like a video pertaining to…[Read more]

Berean: Mike

I believe that when Satan says: “like gods” he does not mean the Father and the Son…. unless…

I think he may have been referring to what Paul said later
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Now we’re getting closer.  Who exactly ARE these “many gods” in he…[Read more]

Proclaimer: What did you get up to today Mike. Obviously a day for us is 24 hours because we awake and then we retire each day which has everything to do with the sun and our biological clocks which are wired around that.

But God has no such limitation. He is always awake. He is eternal. Ever existing and conscious. Thus a day to Him is when he…

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Mike:  PROCLAIMER, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT QUOTED ABOVE THAT CLEARLY SAYS THAT GOD MADE THE FIRMAMENT AND NAMED IT “HEAVEN” ON DAY 2, AND THAT HE MADE THE SUN, MOON, AND STARS AND PLACED THEM IN THE FIRMAMENT THAT HE NAMED “HEAVEN” ON DAY 4?

Proclaimer:  Yes. God made the sky that we see today, yes. That doesn’t mean there was n…

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Note:  I will be asking various questions and making challenges throughout this thread.  You are free to answer all questions, address all challenges, and rebuke all of my claims… as if we are having a normal, respectable, back-and-forth discussion.  But I will make it clear to you which question is my “Must Answer” qu…[Read more]

Yes.  Okay, I answered your first question… my turn again.  😂  Just kidding.  You can ask me all the questions you want.  Just please cite the scriptural verse or passage that your question concerns.

Oh, and I think it’s fair that after answering the other guy’s “MUST ANSWER” question, there should be a time limit of one week for that pers…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Hi Mike.

Since you have created a new topic of debate to replace this one, should I merge this into the Conspiracy Theory topic. What do you think? Actually, the Flat earth topic would be a better option. I may do that. but feel free to put your point of view forward.

Do what you want.  I don’t post in the Flat Earth thread anymore b…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Okay, so you cannot extrapolate a conclusion from what was said. I will spell it out for you. If the hours of a day have changed in the past, then it would be simple to conclude that the length of a day changing doesn’t rule out longer or shorter days.

According to Scientism, the early days on earth were always SHORTER than 24 hour…[Read more]

LU: So what will it be, mutual respect and giving the other the benefit of the doubt or you continuing to make negative declarations of my intentions that are far from accurate and that you have no way of knowing. 

Kathi, if you are telling me now that when I asked for other examples where we have to decide who is speaking like we have to always…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Pay attention Mike. It has already been answered. I won;t repeat myself, but hopefully this jolts your memory. Scientists believe that days were not always 24 hours in the history of our planet.

You pay attention.  The question was if there was any reason to suspect that the days were LONGER THAN 24 hours during the creation p…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  You believe that the earth is flat, so please explain how this volcano that sits on land looks like it is in the middle of the ocean when viewing it from a distance that is beyond the horizon.

It’s a combination of visual acuity, air conditions, and perspective.  For example, looking down straight railroad tracks, the two different r…[Read more]