Quote (jammin @ Feb. 07 2013,00:14)did the verse say Christ is not the God of abraham?Yes, jammin, the verse DOES say that by elimination.  For example, scripture doesn't explicitely say, “God always tells the truth”.  But we don't need scripture to spell this out for us since scripture DOES say, “God cannot lie”.We know from the process of e…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,11:56)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2013,11:39)Count me in.I be watching with interest  

So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:1.  John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”.  (Many expert Greek scholars)2.  Jesus is called a god in scripture.  (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)3.  Jesus was with God before the world began.  (John 17:5)4.  All things were said to have been made t…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2013,23:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,10:57)I have shown that there are other scriptures besides John 1:1 that say Jesus was in the beginning with God.  And there are other scriptures calling him “the Word”.  And there are other scriptures calling him a god.  So far, “the Word” in John 1:1-2 matches up IDENTICALLY wi…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:40)In Acts 13, the God of Abraham, et al is the Father…one of the powers of YHVH. The Servant of Abraham is the second power of YHVH as the incarnated God/Man.So why do you think they spoke about the God (not “Gods”) of Abraham, and listed Jesus as someone OTHER THAN Him?

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:37)Who does the creed specifically say by whom all things are made?Well, since the creed was originally written by Eusebius in the Greek language, the word used was most likely “dia”.The people who translated the creed from Greek to English should have translated the word “dia” as “THROUGH”, not as “BY”.  How…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 04 2013,20:30)Also, according to the Nicene Creed you posted:Who is EXPLICITELY said to be “maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible”?The Father.Very good.  Now go and teach the same.  

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:35)The second power is the Son, the Word of YHVH/the Arm of YHVH……..You mean like Cyrus, who is also called the “arm of YHWH”?  Was Cyrus the “second power”?Jesus is never called “YHWH” in the scriptures, because that is not his name.  And it is not his name because he ISN'T YHWH – but instead the SON OF Y…[Read more]

I wouldn't say it was the ONLY logical interpretation, Ed.  But it surely is A logical one.I'm feeling that there is something more about that moon.  I will pray on it.And what about the twelve stars?  Tribes of Israel?  Or Apostles?

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,17:11)Hmm. That is hard. If he agrees, then he goes against his position. If he disagrees, then he goes against scripture.He'll most likely go for the third option that I already mentioned, ie:  “I came down from heaven doesn't really mean what you pre-existers think it means!”  

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 05 2013,21:59)but thanks for admitting that the verse does not say that Christ was not the God of abrahamI admitted no such thing. It is clear that, as the SERVANT OF the God of Abraham, Jesus is NOT the God of Abraham.

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2013,16:53)Hi T8,   You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said:“To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,   dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”  (Jude 1:25)Ed,Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible CommentaryTo the only … God our Saviour-The oldest manuscripts have, “through Jesus Christ our…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 06 2013,10:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,11:42)My Jesus came down from heaven to do the will of the One who sent him.Did yours?Mike……..The Jesus i get from scripture came into existence through a women…………So then the REAL answer to my question is, “NO Mike.  My Jesus did NOT come down from heaven to…[Read more]

Ed,Most of us here are trying our best to please God.  We think about God, and what He wants from us, all the time.  We are, in some cases, fixated on God.  After all, that's why we spend so much time reading about and discussing Him on this site.  We want to know as much as is humanly possible about our Creator.But many times, what I KNOW abo…[Read more]

Pierre,The way I understand it, Jesus doesn't have the power to create things out of nothing, like God can. No one but God has the power to create new things.I don't believe Jesus himself “created” anything at all. I still don't know EXACTLY what it means that God created “through” Jesus, but I understand clearly these words from Tertullian:He…[Read more]

I can't learn about EVERY prophecy in EVERY book of the Bible all at once, Wakeup. My brain is not what it used to be. Right now, I'm busy learning about the woman clothed with the sun. So keep helping me out with that one in the other thread, if you don't mind. (Short, easy to understand posts, please.)

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 29 2013,23:42)The sun means “light” (truth)Okay, that makes sense.What about the moon?

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,20:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,12:40)I'm on my 5th time through the OT right now…..Hi Mike,I suggest you read the “AKJV Bible” this time, it should help you to see.I'm reading the NET Bible this time – complete with every footnote. In some chapters, there are over 100 of them. Because of that, I am reading…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2013,20:57)Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 22 2013,04:33)Hi Wakeup, You criticize truth and offer no alternate explanation; typical of those stuck in a rut.EdJ.I feel like doing it today.

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2013,14:57)Mary was born through Nathan (the prophet), son of David,before the linage of David was cursed (2Sam.12:9-10) because of his sin in taking Uriah the Hittite's wife.Ed,How does 1 Chronicles 3:5 change your understanding about the lineage of Jesus?