So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:1.  John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”.  (Many expert Greek scholars)2.  Jesus is called a god in scripture.  (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)3.  Jesus was with God before the world began.  (John 17:5)4.  All things were said to have been made t…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 10 2013,14:33)Jesus is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus but the two worked together as one, due to Jesus the mans perfection.I see you are changing your tune from what you sang before, 2B. You previously said Jesus and the Holy Spirit together made up God's one Son. You said they were “one”.So now what's…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 10 2013,13:13)Mike …..> did you read the post i posted to you on page 147 if not plaese read it and respond to it lets try to sort this out. No sense getting all hostile brother.  Gene,How can I NOT get hostile?  Have you even been reading the things Ed's been posting?  Have you read how he's got me jumping through ho…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 10 2013,14:33)Jesus is a man/Son of God (the second Adam).So then you acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I agree, and so do the scriptures.Now, if you could only show me the scriptures that teach us that the Holy Spirit is also the Son of God, I might believe you.Until the time you are able to show those…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,13:51)“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon   his shoulder: and his (YA is Salvation) name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor,  The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)Really Ed?  A CHILD is born, and JEHOVAH'S NAME shall be called th…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,13:47)Do you call Jesus “The Everlasting Father”?  “Yes” or “no”?Scripture calls Jesus everlasting father, Ed.This is from NETNotes: must not be taken in an anachronistic Trinitarian sense. (To do so would be theologically problematic, for the “Son” is the messianic king and is distinct in his person from God the “Fat…[Read more]

Yeah 2B, Don't forget that “A”. I just got scolded by Ed for that last week!

Okay Ed.Then you DO believe Jesus was a good person. Why didn't you just say that?As for your claim that he was good ONLY BECAUSE the “Godhead” (whatever that is) dwelt in him:Did Jesus say ONLY God is good? Or did he say that God AND those in whom God dwells are good? Which one?

2B, Kerwin, and Gene:Are you guys seeing this?  Surely, sitting outside looking in, you can see that Ed is going to great and asinine lengths to FORCE his own “truth” into the scriptures.Surely you are able to see that this is just not right.Now you know how I often feel when I read YOUR posts – in which YOU GUYS also try the same, lame…[Read more]

Does anybody else here believe Ed, that Paul “miswrote” Hebrews 1:8, and put the words “And to the Son he saith” in the wrong place?Does anybody else here think it is not only irrational, but also arrogant for Ed to make such a claim – as if HE knows better than Paul, who actually wrote the words?

More games, Ed? Are you claiming that Jehovah claimed to be the ONLY elohim, and then in the next breath trying to get out of it by saying, “That's not the EXACT words He said!”? Besides, you already answered “YES” to the first question!It is the second question in which you blatantly contradict many scriptures. Care to change your answer to…[Read more]

So Paul, who was guided along by Jesus and the Holy Spirit during his writings, mistakenly wrote “To the Son he saith” in the wrong place? Sorry Ed, but that lame claim is below even you!I have wasted enough of my time on you concerning this subject. I await your response to my last posts in the “ISM” thread.

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2013,22:29)Mike B.The dragon with the 7heads and 10 horns is indeed satan.He tried to kill the baby using king Herod.Okay. This doesn't line up with Abe's understanding of “born from the dead”, but let's continue on.4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.What does “a third of the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:16)Hebrews 1 AKJV8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:“Thy throne, O God (YHVH), is for ever and ever: I noticed you left out the part where Jehovah said those words TO His Son.Why would Jehovah say TO HIS SON, “Your throne, O Jehovah, is forever…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:54)Hi Mike,I told you the answer, if you don't accept it so be it.And what exactly was that answer, Ed? 1. YES, Jesus is a good person?2. YES, Jesus is a good person because he actually IS God?3. NO, Jesus is NOT a good person?Which was your answer? You have played so many games now that I can't be sure what the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,03:41)Ed,1.  Did Jehovah say He was the ONLY elohim?  YES or NO?2.  Was Jehovah LITERALLY the ONLY elohim?  YES or NO?Hi Mike,1) Yes2) YesDoes anyone else here agree with Ed's answer to #2, which blatantly contradicts MANY scriptures?Kerwin?  Do you?2B?  How about you?Gene? Pierr…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2013,22:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:40)In Acts 13, the God of Abraham, et al is the Father…one of the powers of YHVH. The Servant of Abraham is the second power of YHVH as the incarnated God/Man.So why do you think they spoke about the God (not “Gods”) of Abraham, and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2013,22:27)Mike,Through or by, they both indicate the second power was involved with the first power in creation, so it doesn't really make a difference.You are the one THROUGH WHOM God created your children, Kathi.Does that make you the “second power” of creation?  Does it put you on an equal plane with Jehovah, YOUR…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,22:09)And by that will, we have been made holy THROUGH/BY the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.If you took the BY option, it would not be saying that Jesus created holiness in us. It is obvious from the context that it is THROUGH this sacrifice that we are holy.How about this one:Hebrews 1:2 but in these…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2013,21:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2013,18:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:35)The second power is the Son, the Word of YHVH/the Arm of YHVH……..You mean like Cyrus, who is also called the “arm of YHWH”?  Was Cyrus the “second power”?Mike,You are just being ridiculous now.No Kathi, I'm showing you that you…[Read more]