Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2013,20:51)And yet is the Holy Spirit another son?According to 2besee, “YES”.  2B believes that the Holy Spirit is the original “eternal Son of God”, who works side by side with Jesus – a different Son of God.  Yet he acknowledges that Jesus was brought forth BY the Holy Spirit, which I think would make Jesus the GRANDSON of G…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,14:23)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,07:17)Hi T8, So is your argument is: “Ab”, according to you, is never used to reference “God the Father”?      …is this your argument?God blessEd JHi Mike,You can answer this too you know.God blessEd JNo Ed. The Hebrew word “ab” is also used of God the Father.

Ed,Look at these last three definitions of “ab”……..7) of benevolence and protection (fig.)8) term of respect and honour9) ruler or chief (spec.)Any one of those three would fit Jesus. 7) “Everlasting protector”. 8) “Everlasting deserver of our respect”. 9) “Everlasting ruler”.Am I right?

The king of Israel called Elisha “My father”.  Elisha called Elijah “My father”.  These examples were all listed in the post I made for Ed.  So if Elisha could be a “father” to the king of Israel, why can't Jesus, as an even greater and more powerful prophet, be a “father” to the nation of Israel?And since no one is mistaking Elisha as “father” wi…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,21:02)Hi Mike,Jesus is not called “The Everlasting Father”Sorry you disagree with scripture, Ed. In Isaiah 9:6, the child who is born to us is called “everlasting father”.Did you read the scriptures that show a usage of “father” that is not used by us today? Ie: A king of a country could be called the “father” of that…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,02:27)Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,14:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,15:53)Okay.  I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.I've heard that this was attempted via Herod.  Abe, what do you s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,11:45)He didn't stop being the 'root' to become the 'shoot.'As the 'shoot' He suffered and died according to the flesh.If he never stopped being the Root, how is it that only the Shoot part of him suffered and died?I believe that Jesus died as the savior God sent. I don't believe that “only the shoot part of him”…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 10 2013,18:03)read in acts 3.13 that Christ is NOT the GOD of abrahamjammin, How do we know that Satan isn't also the God of Abraham? Can you read me a scripture that says, “Satan is not the God of Abraham”? Instead of asking me to prove a negative, why don't you just prove the positive? Why not just show me from scripture…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2013,20:46)Selective reasoning.Yeah, that's the name!

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2013,13:59)Mike says:Quote And even IF you INSIST that it refers to Jesus being given YHWH's name, it proves that Jesus didn't ALWAYS HAVE YHWH's name.  And that proves that Jesus hasn't ALWAYS BEEN “YHWH the Son”, as you so often claim.Being 'given' the name shows that He is a son and not the Father. What it doesn't…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2013,13:55)As you should know, I have not claimed anyone else including Cyrus or myself as being the second power of YHVH so I don't even know why you would imply such.Actually Kathi, what I've done is to point out people who you DON'T think are the “second power of YHWH”, and show you how the same things are said about…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2013,13:40)So, as you can see the two passages are about completely different things, but you knew this, didn't you…It seems sensible to me that if Jesus was truly given the name of his God, Jehovah, then he would subsequently be “called BY the name of his God, Jehovah”.So how is that different from the nation of…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 10 2013,18:09)I said that they were “as if one”. Big difference.This is what you said, from page 43:Therefore Jesus the man and the Holy Spirit/Son became as one.What does it mean that they “became as one”?  I understood that to mean they “merged together” and became one Son of God.What does it really mean?

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 10 2013,19:42)WHEN DID I EVER SAY THAT JESUS WAS CONCEIVED THROUGH MAN AS EVERYBODY ELSE WAS? I SAID THAT JESUS WAS CONCEIVED OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, JUST AS SCRIPTURES SAY.Uh oh, 2B! If Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit, who is the Son of God, then Jesus would have to be the GRANDSON of God – not His Son.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2013,13:40)Now that is about the fourth time I have taken the time to point this out to you. It just shows that you do not want to learn and accept the truth.John 17:11 NLTNow I am departing the world; I am leaving them behind and coming to you. Holy Father, keep them and care for them––all those you have given me<…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2013,13:40)Solidly refuted?? Is Cyrus also called the First and the Last, the Word of God, the Lord of lords? You see, the 'arm of YHVH' is not the only name that the Son has.Oh, I see now.  The “second power of YHWH” must have this particular set of things said about him!  How convenient for you that this particular s…[Read more]

Oh, you ain't seen nothin' yet, t8! In the “Beginning” thread, Ed has gone as far as to claim that Paul miswrote Hebrews 1:8-9, by placing the words, “And unto the Son he saith” in the WRONG PLACE!He's really on a roll.

Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.I've heard that this was attempted via Herod. Abe, what do you say? At what point was Satan waiting to devour Jesus?

Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 10 2013,15:56)We came up with an estimate of angels….100 trillion!!A third was 33 trillion fallen angels.Divide that by 7 billion humans and we roughly got 10 fallen angels to every person on the planet!!But on the plus side, it means there are 66 trillion GOOD angels.  Which means the good angels who help to protect us…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,17:12)Hi Mike,You really mean misquote, do you not? Running away is really your only option.No Ed,Since the words “And unto the Son he saith” are not even IN the Psalm Paul was quoting, the term “miswrote” is correct.And I don't “run away” from you.  I willingly walk away from your nonsense.