Quote (2besee @ Feb. 14 2013,18:10)Mike, Does God know everything that will happen before it happens?I don't know. We know from scripture that He knows the end from the beginning. But then other scriptures are written in such a way as to suggest that God didn't know the outcome until it happened.I think God CAN know everything that will happen.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,18:50)Just because “and the Word was a god” may be a possible translation………….Enough said.  You have acknowledged that you cannot refute my first point.Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,18:50)I favor God because God is in Jesus.Okay.  I am already planning to take your favorite down the same test of verses that I…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,18:38)Mike,It does not even make sense to say give me the glory I already have.HAD, Kerwin.  Not have.  Of course someone wouldn't ask for something they already HAVE.  But they could surely ask for something they HAD, which they don't currently have any longer, can't they?  (Please answer this question DIR…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 14 2013,17:39)But the Counselor, THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND in my name………..Your answer lies in the above words, 2B. The Counselor, of whom Jesus was speaking, was the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit can't be the Father, because the Father is the one who was to SEND the Holy Spirit. And it can't be…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,18:20)It makes me think of those second century fathers who often had debates. I don't think they debated the same stuff over and over till they died. I think once they put someone to flight, they moved on to other things.You're probably right.  Take the trinity debates for example.  First Arius was excommunicated, then A…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,01:02)That which pre-existed of the Son came from within the Father. Is there a scripture that says Jesus came “from within” the Father?Also, this doesn't address my point.  Of course Jesus was conceived of Mary.  What I'm asking is if you believe he was ever CONCEIVED before he was begotten by God in the b…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 13 2013,20:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2013,11:22)Hi 2B,John 17 1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:  “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now th…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,01:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,21:10)Jesus is the only begotten God of God.My Bible says, he is the son of God.I will stick with that.Yeah………….. like that! Direct, scriptural, short, and to-the-point. Not a lot of time wasted either.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,01:11)Mike, what happens when people don't repent of their false teaching and you have given them enough scriptural evidence? Do we refute them till we die? And what is the point of that?Or do we create a new Category called Crackpots, Heretics, or False Teachers and let them teach falsely to each other?Ideas?t8,Let me…[Read more]

Mark 12:29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.Perhaps Jesus was confused, and really meant “Gods”? Jack, why would you try to support a reading of “Gods” anyway? Do you now believe like Kathi, that we have two Almighty Gods?(Congrats on the Raven's Superbowl win.)

Gene,There is nothing in that post you just made that says men have glory with God before they're born. God already DID crown man with glory. And God already DID place all things (on earth) under his feet. These things have already happened, Gene.

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 14 2013,08:38)Quote (jammin @ Feb. 14 2013,20:59)New Living Translation (©2007)2 cor 4.4Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. Jammin …. Right you are… Satan is the God of this world and the proof need not be in writing …it is in plain sight… Look around …there is…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 14 2013,03:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 13 2013,11:21)Quote (jammin @ Feb. 11 2013,18:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,06:14) Can you read me a scripture that says, “Satan is not the God of Abraham”?  satan is not GOD by nature. he is the enemy of God. satan is the god of this world and not God do you have common sense m…[Read more]

Funny you said that Gene, because I was just reading through the post, and Pierre took the words right out of my mouth on each occasion. In other words, he said exactly what I was thinking. So far, it seems that you, Gene, believe #1 is the correct answer. Is that right?And, like Pierre aptly pointed out, Kerwin and 2B have not even answered.…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I am interested to know your thoughts about these points I made yesterday:Surely God knew how we humans would understand the words “son”, “firstborn”, and “only begotten”.  Why do you suppose God would TRICK us by using these words for His own “Son” – if the the standard things that go along with those words didn't also apply to…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 14 2013,00:11)im not adding words. that is written. a word for word in the bible.It is a word for word TRAVESTY OF TRANSLATION – and nothing more.jammin, are the words “Jesus Christ” in the Greek mss of that verse TWICE – like the GW implies? YES or NO?(Or have those men ADDED their own words into the God-inspired scriptures?)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,15:14)Jesus came out of God, the angels and men didn't.Who did angels and men come from – if not God?I say “from” because I believe the scriptures say Jesus came FROM God, not OUT OF God.I could be mistaken, but I just did an exact search for the words “out of God”, and got no results.

Kerwin,Do you think that if you took off your non-preexistent blinders for just a second, you'd be able to agree with these following words from my last post?It's not like I'm claiming bizarre and oddball things from those words, Kerwin.  If a person says, “And now glorify me with the glory I HAD”, the idea that this person is asking to have a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,15:32)Mike,Some would argue that God knew Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb and therefore Jeremiah existed in order to be known.I'm not one of those people.  Are you?  If not, the point is moot.Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,15:32) “I had” an inheritance with God before I was in my mother's womb can be viewed t…[Read more]

So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:1.  John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”.  (Many expert Greek scholars)2.  Jesus is called a god in scripture.  (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)3.  Jesus was with God before the world began.  (John 17:5)4.  All things were said to have been made t…[Read more]