Carmel: The above scriptures Mike, determine The heaven and the earth of Genesis 1:1 originally created perfect, and also, at a certain moment in time there was a rebellion and nations were destroyed!

No they don’t.  You INTERPRET them that way, but they absolutely, positively do NOT “determine” what you say they do.

Berean:  I am not against TRUE SCIENCE, GOD’S SCIENCE. TO ME, THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IS A FALSE SCIENCE.

That whole post was great, Berean.  But please let me elaborate on your statement above… there simply is no science behind the so-called “Theory of Evolution”.

Common descent evolution is the epitome of Scientism.  Ther…[Read more]

Proclaimer: God will renew the earth with fire next. So ask yourself how God will make a new heavens and new earth because you obviously have to hold that God will actually delete the current heavens and earth and rebuild a new one from scratch. If so, then to be consistent with your teaching, you are forced to also believe that you will not…

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Proclaimer: What I think you are really saying:

As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care about science until it goes along with my interpretation which is the stance that the SDA takes regarding this passage in THE WORD OF GOD.

What does SDA have to do with it?  When you argue that Jesus is the Son of God and not God Himself, has anyone ever said…[Read more]

Gene:  There is evidence both from scripture and science that supports  this earth is way older then just 6000 years. 

No there isn’t.  There is nothing in scripture or in science that suggest an earth older than from Adam and Eve until today.

Carmel: Whether you answer or not it’s your pigeon!  EXPLAIN WHY JESUS WAS SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD!

You are using a very nonsensical mistranslation of the verse.  I’ll let the 25 TRINITARIAN translators of the NET Bible explain it to you…

Revelation 13:8 NET ©
and all those who live on the earth will worship the bea…[Read more]

Adam: Yes there was nothing happened prior to this so called creation event as per the 1st story of the creation in Genesis 1. This was also confirmed by the earliest interpreters of this story…

Adam speaking sensibly and according to the Bible.

Adam:  So this God was tired and needed rest so that he had to fix Seventh Day for refreshing.

Adam s…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  So your explanation is simply that God created trees and plants and they sprouted fruit and seeds all within the same 24 hour period. Lol. Outside of any personal miracle, this has not been observed in nature ever. Sounds like flat young earth scientism to me. I don’t think you are convincing anyone with that argument.

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Proclaimer:  Berean, there is not enough in the text to state what you said as a fact. And I think gene is saying that the text can support his view.

Everything Berean stated is UNEQUIVOCALLY supported by the Biblical text.  What Gene is suggesting is unequivocally CONTRADICTED by the Biblical text.

In Ex 20:11 and 31:17, Yahweh Himself i…[Read more]

Mike:  We actually do know.  It was WITHIN the six days of creation – which occurred about 6000 years ago.

Proclaimer:  Who is we? The Flat Earth community?

The “we” is people who believe the Bible and hold it as our ultimate authority.  You are not part of the “we”.

Gene:  This also can show that the earth did preexist as a inhabitable planet before and was destoryed and God began remaking it again,  to what it is today.

Gene, in Exodus 20:11 and 31:17, Yahweh includes the CREATION of heaven and earth WITHIN the six days of creation.

Your argument has been debunked.  Please don’t bring it up to me again.  Thanks.

Mike:  PROCLAIMER, DO YOU AGREE WITH GOD HIMSELF IN THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE THAT THE VERY CREATION OF THE HEAVEN AND EARTH IS INCLUDED IN THE SIX DAYS OF CREATION, AND NOT EXCLUDED FROM THOSE SIX DAYS AS YOU’VE PREVIOUSLY CLAIMED?

Proclaimer: I agree that it says “in six days the LORD made heaven and earth” in multiple places in the bible.

But I…

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Proclaimer:  Okay, so your answer is that God made all the plants and they then bore fruit and produced seeds in a 24 hour period. Thank you for being honest. People can now see how unscientific you are.

My answer included SCRIPTURE in which God created a tree overnight from nothing just to give Jonah some shade for one day.  I asked in the o…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Micah 7:11: ‘The day of building your walls will come, the day for extending your boundaries. In that day people will come to you from Assyria and the cities of Egypt.

In Micah 7:11, is the verse talking about a single 12 or 24 hour day? Yes or No.

I don’t know.  I read some commentaries on the verse, and most of them think Mica…[Read more]

Carmel: <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” </span>

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Mike, When that was, we don’t know. Billions, trillions of years ago, we don’t know.</span>

We actually do know.  It was WITHIN the six days of creation – which occurred about 6000 years ago.
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Proclaimer:  See how the first day ends when all that has already taken place?

I already addressed your misunderstanding in this very thread about an hour ago.  I also addressed it in the private thread.  Quote how I addressed it, and THEN make an argument.  It’s not a “discussion” if you just keep posting the same drivel as if other people hav…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Okay, so your answer is that God made all the plants and after that, they bore fruit and produced seeds all within in a 24 hour period, despite the text making no such claim.

If you are going to copy things from the private thread and bring them here to discuss, great!  I want everyone to see you get exposed.  In fact, there wo…[Read more]

Mike:  Oh, and don’t forget that “science” doesn’t “say” anything at all.  So your statement about “science saying otherwise” is made out of ignorance – as I’ve recently taught you.

Proclaimer:  You do not understand science…

No… YOU don’t understand science.  If you did, you’d understand that science is an INVESTIGATION… the PU…[Read more]

Kathi, read my most recent post to Gene on this very subject.  It’s higher up on this same page.

Berean: That said, I would like you to comment on this god mentioned in 2 Timothy 2:3,4…

Mike, for you, who is this “man of sin”,”shewing HIMSELF” THAT HE IS GOD”.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4…  Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. He wi…[Read more]