Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)I spent hours on that showing you so many verses on wisdom in Proverbs and NONE of them supports the idea of a 'created' wisdom but you seem to ignore that, you just want to hang your hat on the weak peg-the translators of the NET…….How many support the idea of a wisdom that was “BORN” and “GIVEN…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)*Regarding 'created' vs. 'possessed' in Prov. 8:22, the net translators use circular reasoning as a defense of their term 'created.'Explain what is circular about their reasoning.  All they are saying is that since the verb “qanah” in verse 22 could be “possessed”, or could be “created”, they are using the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)*Cyrus is an arm of the LORD as a human, not as how the Son of God is the Arm of the LORD. You confuse the shadow for the tree, the type for the actual.What does that mean, Kathi?Wasn't Jesus, as a human being, the arm of the Lord to whom John referred?(So far, all I'm seeing in the way of “support” is: Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,16:16)Kathi, am I correct in saying that a father's part in the begetting process is the act of conception?  YES or NO?If your answer is “NO”, then please tell us what OTHER parts the father has in the producing of a child.Mike,NO.I see the answer of “NO”.  But I'm not seeing t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,15:50)Mike,I appended a link to the online NT recovery bible that actually makes the case that they are indeed related.Kerwin,In Romans, Paul is talking about how, if we live according to God, and His Spirit dwells in us, that Spirit will quicken the mortal bodies we are now dwelling in.It has nothing at all to do with…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)And about your 'BTW' I have spent way too much time talking to you about Moses, Cyrus, and the 'created vs possessed' thing. So don't you go saying I haven't addressed it.Yeah, but since you came into THIS thread, badmouthing me to my peers, I thought I'd introduce you and your ideas to the people here, so…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 09 2013,15:24)Yes, I agree with you about the resurrected bodies, but that has nothing to do with what was. (i.e that God is spirit), IMO.Well then, I'm lost. I thought we were discussing the fact that God and His spirit sons also have bodies – just not made of flesh.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,18:42)2.  When John tells us that Jesus gave us the right to be sons of God who are “born of God”, do you imagine that we who are to be “born of God” live inside His womb for a while before He gives birth to us like a woman would?  YES or NO?2. Being born of God for believers i…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,15:04)Mike , 2beese, and all,Quote 1 Corinthians 15:44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.What does “spiritual body” mean?It means ual body.A Spirit quickened body as opposed to a soul quickened body.Romans 8:11King James Version (KJV)11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,18:42)1.  Am I correct that a father's part in the begetting process is the act of conception – when the seed impregnates the egg?  YES or NO?1. NO, I don't believe that once a man finds that he impregnated a women, he goes about saying that he begat a child.Hmmmm………… I…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 09 2013,10:02)Mike…….On page 183 the post is addressed to you and has Yes No questions also.Oops.  I assumed from your words, “Go back to page 183 and answer ALL the Yes or No   questions please”, that you were talking about that post to t8 – where you asked him a dozen questions in one post.Now that I've a…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 09 2013,02:20)I'll put together all of those scriptures, soon.I'm truly NOT interested in seeing a post full of 87 scriptures, with no commentary from you.Instead, post ONE of the scriptures you think calls the Holy Spirit the Son of God, and tell me briefly WHY you believe the scripture says what you think it does.Then I will…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 09 2013,02:20)it does not however say as you just did that “spirits have spiritual bodies.” 1st Cor is talking about what will be for those who are risen from the dead1 Corinthians 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.What does “spiritual body” mean?1 Corinthians 1547 The first man was of the dust of…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2013,20:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2013,08:31)COULD the statement, “Give to me now that thing I HAD with you before” be referring to something the speaker ACTUALLY HAD with the other person before?  YES or NO?  (Answer HONESTLY, Kerwin)Mike,The context of Scripture does not allow for that understanding.Then show me w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 06 2013,20:21)I'm sure you have trouble seeing that the root is also the shoot, too.No, I understand that Jesus was both before and after David…………. because that lesson is clearly taught in scripture.So if I can see that, why do you suppose you CAN'T see that Paul was speaking about “the God of the people of…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 06 2013,23:48)It says here that the Father will send the Holy Spirit in Jesus name (Jesus is the one who is talking)That is correct.I'm still not seeing how you are using this verse to equate Jesus with our God and his God.In fact, let me cut to the chase, Daniel:John 20:17 Jesus said…….. “I am ascending to my Father and…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 06 2013,16:31)There is no name higher than the name of JesusNew International Version (©1984)Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,It stands to reason that the One with the power to EXALT Jesus, and GIVE him the name above all other names would not be included in the…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 06 2013,16:31)John 17:11New International Version (©1984)I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name–the name you gave me–so that they may be one as we are one.Hi Daniel,Did you read the green information I posted about…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2013,12:09)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 09 2013,04:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2013,13:17)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 28 2013,17:38)Mike………the word Father can be used in a relative sense to a topic, Like the fathers of our nation, our the term our forefathers, i know that……….Very good, Gene.Then there is no…[Read more]

No rush 2B.  We have once again strayed WAY off topic, huh?    But this is now one of my favorite threads.  There sure is a “pot luck” of ideas out there – some I never would have imagined in a million years.But that is why we're on this site, right – to talk about scriptural understandings, and sort out the truth of the matter?  peace,mike