Carmel: READ THE ARTICLE  BY Frank W. Nelte

January 2009 ENTITLED

Understanding Genesis 1:1-2 Correctly

https://franknelte.net/article.php?article_id=172

I AM WAITING FOR YOUR COMMENTS!

Okay, I read it.  Some of it was good info about the Hebrew and Greek languages.  Some of it was common sense stuff, such as the scriptural fact that God’…[Read more]

Berean:  And yet yes I answered
but I will try to be more complete later.

You didn’t answer, and there’s no need to be “more complete”.  It is a simply yes or no question.  Jesus either IS a messenger of God or he isn’t.

Which one, please?

Berean…

2 Chronicles 36:15-16… Again and again the LORD, the God of their fathers, sent word to His people through His messengers because He had compassion on them and on His dwelling place. But they mocked the messengers of God, despising His words and scoffing at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD against His people was stirred up…[Read more]

Gene, Kathi, Berean, Proclaimer, Jodi, Adam?????

Anyone????

Hello… is this thing on?

Hi Berean, you didn’t actually answer my question.

Is Jesus a messenger of God?  Yes or no?

LU: Actually, there are others who are called Yahweh.

Yes there are, the Father, the Son and the Spirit.

The Spirit?  Wait a minute… are you trying to sneak a third “Yahweh the Spirit” person into your unity? 😳

I’m talking about the times that Yahweh’s messengers are addressed as “Yahweh”.  Do you deny that this occurs in scripture?  Or do you…[Read more]

LU:  Mike, I’m just asking for you to show us all one time that I demanded an apology, just one, no need to go from page to page unless of course you can’t find any, in that case you can acknowledge that. Shouldn’t be hard for you to acknowledge if indeed you can’t come up with even one.

I acknowledge that I’m not willing to look through pages of…[Read more]

LU:  Gene, do you know who said this and to whom:  “apart from Me you can do nothing”?

Kathi, do YOU know who said this and to whom:  “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself…” ?

I do.

But I can’t seem to find anywhere in scripture where God made such a statement, which, if you think about it, would be a very nonsen…[Read more]

LU: Why would a person who’s named “Jesus” be a “Co-Yahweh”?

Because two persons are called Yahweh and they are ONE.

Don’t you mean two persons and one city?  😎

Actually, there are others who are called Yahweh.  They are those who come as representatives of Yahweh, and are all throughout scripture.

LU:  where did I demand even one apology?

Kathi, perhaps instead of constantly challenging people to use their time to go from page to page on thread after thread trying to find some particular exact statement you made, you could just use a LOT LESS of your own time by saying something like, “Mike, I didn’t actually demand that you apologize, bu…[Read more]

LU:  Why don’t you show me where you think that I say that.

Kathi, perhaps instead of constantly challenging people to use their time to go from page to page on thread after thread trying to find some particular exact statement you made, you could just use a LOT LESS of your own time by saying something like, “Gene, I don’t believe Jesus and th…[Read more]

LU:  Mike, do you want to show us where I “demanded an apology” as you claim? If you can’t show us then perhaps you want to acknowledge that for all to see. Asking you to “acknowledge” things is not the same as asking you to apologize for them. 

Mike:  *Note to Lightenup:  The above “quotes” are not verbatim words that you said, but are my own pa…

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LU:  Would you say that the blanks could have also said that Jesus was a Co-Yahweh with God or something similar to that?

Why would a person who’s named “Jesus” be a “Co-Yahweh”?  Sure, “Yahweh our Righteousness”, right?  But the city of Jerusalem is called by the same title – which by the way, is properly translated as “Yahweh IS our Ri…[Read more]

LU: Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Notice that Jesus is included with the Father as distinct from the brethren. Over and over you can see that if you are willing. 

Paul is also “distinct” from the brethren in that verse.  As he is in this statement to the church in Cor…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

You said: Not a “son”.  Not a “they”.  Not a “Yahweh Unity of the Spirit”.  Just our heavenly Father named Yahweh – who is a single male person referred to as “he”.

Simply put, we disagree. Many can see it. Sorry you won’t.

Who can see it, Kathi?  The only one I know who believes that God is a unity of Yahweh the Father and “Yahweh t…[Read more]

LU:  I asked him to admit to many false accusations which he didn’t agree with and ended up lying to me about some things and I told him that we weren’t going to be able to discuss anything until he faced those false allocations he made about me. I told him that I would be happy to discuss after he faced them but he denies them. I’m not intere…

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Berean: Carmel, Gene,

You have no reason to doubt the FACT” that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days as we know them (i.e. 24-hour days). (Exodus 20:11 and 31:17)

Correct.  And let’s add Proclaimer and anyone else who holds Scientism in higher authority than God’s written word to that list too.

Mike: Carmel, in Ex 20:11 and 31:17, Yahweh Himself includes the very CREATION of heaven and earth WITHIN the six days of creation. 

Carmel: THAT’S ONLY ACCORDING TO YOU!

It’s according to me BECAUSE it’s according to scripture.

Mike:  The Bible leaves NO room for Gen 1 to be talking about a heaven and earth that are different from the ones that…

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Carmel: Now read these translations hereunder, THERE ‘S NO AMBIGUITY AT ALL! 

KJV. Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life OF THE LAMB  slain from the foundation of the world.

Apparently you didn’t understand what the NET scholars were saying.  The ambiguity lies in the placem…[Read more]

Carmel:  As you can read, both verses have different concepts.

No they don’t.  Both verses contain a book of life which has existed since the foundation of the world.  In one of the two verses, we’re told that this book of life belongs to the Lamb who was slain.