Jodi:  …but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things…

For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God…

I agree that God’s servant Jesus spoke about things he learned from God.  But look who’s actually doing the speaking…

My Father taught me X, so I will say X to you.  My Father told me to speak X, so I will speak X to yo…[Read more]

Pretender and Gene (I Saw It On TV) Balthrop…

1.  According to scripture, is there only ONE raqia?  YES or NO?  (If “NO”, please include your scriptures that speak of more than one of them.)

2.  According to scripture, are the sun, moon and stars IN the very thing that the waters are ABOVE?  YES or NO?

Mike: Using “expanse”, Genesis 1 says God created the expanse to separate the waters below the expanse from the waters above the expanse.

You say that this refers to the space between the sea and the clouds. Okay.

A few verses later we’re told that God created the sun, moon and stars and placed them in THAT expense.

 

Proclaimer:  THAT expanse…

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Proclaimer:  Thanks gene. Mike is definitely batting for the other team.

You got that right.  And if I ever think of joining the anti-scriptural team that you and Gene are on, please just put a bullet in my head.

Berean:  This is what Genesis 1 teaches.

 

Proclaimer:  Bahahaha! Great comeback Berean. You roasted me.

This little exchange sums up the entire debate quite nicely.  There are people pointing out what God’s written word actually says about a matter, and other people LAUGHING at what God’s written word says about it – as if “this is what the sc…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike is still trying to play his smoke and mirror games with you,  the true fact is that the word raqia, simply means,  in English,   the Sky, or Heavens,  which simply means whats out or  up there,  from the earth, we live on.  

Okay Gene, then all you need to do is tell me about the waters that are ABOVE the “Sky/Heavens/What’s out or up…[Read more]

Gene:  You said, “NO”,  to my question about the ISS  “INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION”  that anyone can see for themselves traveling around our earth 24/7 , 365 days a year , transmitting it’s view of this earth to us,  EVERY SECOND of every day .  NOW sense your a real “honest person” as you present yourself, then please proceed to tell us , w…

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Proclaimer: <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Place two basketballs next to each other. They are both globes right. So there are angles in play and you can get that result. You would only see it always above if the earth and moon were 2D.</span>

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Once again you were bamboozled by the third dimension and the angle of…

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Proclaimer:  The bible translates raqia as expanse and sky.

The Bible uses the Hebrew word raqia. It doesn’t “translate” that word as anything.  But let’s run with your misinformation to see where it leads…

Using “expanse”, Genesis 1 says God created the expanse to separate the waters below the expanse from the waters above the expanse.

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Pretender, how many raqias are mentioned in the Bible?  Remember that the word is always proceeded by the definite article, (ie: THE raqia), and is always a singular word in the Bible.  Remember that it is often called “THE raqia OF heaven” in the Bible.

How many raqias are specifically mentioned in the Bible, Pretender?

Gene:  …you have not proven any of your Flat Earth “BS” right so far…

I’ve proven that there is only one raqia, that the luminaries are IN it, and that there are waters ABOVE it…

So I have already DISPROVEN your understanding of a spinning ball orbiting the sun in outer space.  So you and Pretender can keep LYING by saying that water…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike…….Quit “yaking”,  about how many raqias are there, and answere my question,  does the ISS “international space station”, that anyone can see for themselves,  with a cheap pair of benoclours going around our earth, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, brodcasting images to us from space , prove the earth is round  and not a dome as you fal…

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Mike:  <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>How many raqias are there?</span>

 

Proclaimer:  <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Don’t know. God called the raqia – heaven, and there are at least three heavens that I know of.</span>

Psalm 19:1…  <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>{To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.} The heavens declare the glory of God; a…[Read more]

Pretender:  I created some space in my garage. So the stars are there now.

I understand.  This has got to be very hard for you.  You know that what you wrote above is absurd, and you even feel ashamed for writing it.  But what choice did you have?  You either have to somehow keep the fight going – no matter how ridiculous it makes you look – or y…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  But God called the raqia – heaven and there are at least three heavens…

How many raqias?

Not me.  When SpaceX started doing these stunts, I honestly and seriously wondered if it was a test to see just how far a gullible public could be detached from their God-given common sense.  I still think that is exactly the case.  If they can get gullible people to believe this nonsense, then they can get them to believe that you can catch a…[Read more]

This is a photo I took of the moon during the day.  Notice that its brightness matches the white of the clouds…

This is a photo I took of the moon and a security light in the dark.  Notice that the brightness of one matches the other…

Now consider the Inverse Square Law of light.  It isn’t a theory, but a Scientific LAW.  It say…[Read more]

Pretender: Mike, the clouds are above the space that the sea is below.

Clouds ↓

Space / Expanse / Atmosphere / Raqia

↑ Sea

Simple enough I would have thought.

Now you only need to place the sun, moon and stars IN that Space/Expanse/Raqia that is between the clouds and the sea.  Can you do that?

Pretender:  In the second heaven there is also s…

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Mike:  I read all your scriptures, and didn’t see any of them that refer to Abraham rejoicing to see Jesus’ day. Just like you finally acknowledged that there are no prophesies to Abraham about a future ruler, you’ll have to honestly acknowledge that there are no scriptures that say Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus’ day.

 

Jodi:  Um, how about thi…

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