Quote (abe @ Mar. 21 2013,20:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,15:31)I want you to understand that if Cain was with “THE Adam”, and was himself “adam”, it simply means Cain was “a man” who was with “THE first man, Adam”.Can you see this?Hi Mike,  Yes….Fantastic!  So then the phrase, “the word was with THE god, and the word was god” could a…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 20 2013,22:01)And who that is capable of entertaining reverential thoughts or feelings regarding God, can suppose or believe that God the Father ever existed, even for a moment of time, without having generated this Wisdom?Wherefore we have always held that God is the Father of His only-begotten Son, who was born indeed of…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 20 2013,22:01)……Let him, then, who assigns a beginning to the Word or Wisdom of God, take care that he be not guilty of impiety against the unbegotten Father Himself, seeing he denies that He had always been a Father……….Okay.  So Origen believes the Father has ALWAYS BEEN a father.  But I'm with t8 on this one.  …[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 20 2013,21:02)That would be the name the Father and Son are known as in the old testament. YHWHWhich scripture tells us the Son of God is named YHWH in the OT? Also, I'm waiting for a response about Rev 3:12. Why do you suppose Jesus speaks of writing the name of his God on them, and ALSO his new name?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,19:40)Is http://www.bible.cc working for you tonight? It's not working for me for some reason.Is that Biblos.com? I don't know any site by the name “bible.cc”. If you are referring to Biblos, then yes, it is working for me. That's where I located the Exodus scripture.

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 20 2013,03:54)the father told us that the son is GodThe Father did tell us that the Son would be called a mighty god. Satan is also a mighty god, jammin.And in Hebrews 1, Paul attributes a Psalm to Jesus, in which the subject is called “god”. But also notice that verse 9 speaks about the God OF that other god.Surely God…[Read more]

Charles,Jesus said that not all will taste death. But Paul says that Jesus tasted death for all of us.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 20 2013,22:17)The 'roots' are the support of the stump, not a branch coming from the stump. Likewise,the 'branch' coming from the stump is not the 'roots' of the stump. Those are two different plant parts. One as the foundation (the roots) and one as the offspring (the branch). Jesus said that He was BOTH the Root and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2013,06:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2013,08:46)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,06:23)Neither root or foundation were stated to be synonyms of first.  If you desire to conclude they are then find a definition or synonym to make your case.From Dictionary.com:root Definition: base, core Synonyms: basis, cause, foundation,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 21 2013,19:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,05:41)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2013,13:36)Mike,Quote What exactly would fall into the class “god”, in your opinion?  Is God's Holy Spirit a god?  Are the spoken words of God “gods”?Or does it seem much more likely that a BEING, who was also in the “god class”, was with “THE god” i…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 21 2013,18:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,13:54)What Mike wants to know is which Son of God is the one who now sits at God's right hand?  And where exactly is this “other” Son of God?Okay…The Son of God, Jesus, is at “God's right Hand”. The other Son of God, the Holy Spirit, IS God and is part of God (The One God!)So…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 21 2013,18:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,12:41)So then your answers are both “YES”, right?  You believe the Holy Spirit is “a god”.  And you believe the spoken words of God are “gods” – is that what you're saying?How could the Holy Spirit be “a god”, and how could 'the spoken words of God' be.. “gods”??Mike, there is o…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,18:31)I want you to understand that if Cain was with “THE Adam”, and was himself “adam”, it simply means Cain was “a man” who was with “THE first man, Adam”.Can you see this?Cain would not be adam…only those that serve YHVH are adam. Unbelievers are not adam.Exodus 8:17They…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 21 2013,16:23)(Mike will say that it is impossible for God to have two Sons. I say – “Why is it impossible for God to have two sons?”)No, Mike doesn't say that. Mike knows that God has MANY sons.What Mike wants to know is which Son of God is the one who now sits at God's right hand? And where exactly is this “other” Son of…

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 21 2013,16:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,05:48)taking on the appearance of man and walking in flesh is mysterious indeed.Is this not suspicious, more than mysterious?

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,15:40)I even have a friend of a friend who is fluent in Greek and he confirms that the definite article and lack of one is significant.I once read a blog from a Greek guy who said that while they do have Trinitarians in Greece, none of them use John 1:1 as a proof text – because they understand it is not saying the Word…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,15:12)“Jesus is the son of the other YHWH”. “The son of the other God”.That is a fair assessment of what Kathi believes and teaches.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,10:19)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,06:13)Certainly there is the reference that THE God is greater than the Word. Please show us this reference.Well, Jesus is called “the Word of God” because he is God's spokesman, right? So who is greater Kathi, the spokesman, or the king for whom he speaks?Not to mention all the other…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 21 2013,05:36)LU,That is a confusing Trinitarian tenet. You infer thatJesus the Shoot is not Yawheh. Jesus the Root is Yawheh.Agreed, Kerwin.  And I have talked to Kathi about this before.  There is but ONE Jesus, the Son of God.  She seems to teach that there were two, one who was God Himself, and one who wasn't God Hi…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,05:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:49)Mike,Origen is making an argument based on the absence of the article to show the second God mentioned is a lessor type. This is what is the failed argument.Certainly there is the reference that THE God is greater than the Word. But Origen is teaching that lack of article here…[Read more]