Kathi, while I admire your search into the scriptures to find hidden treasures, I can't help but notice that you go way out of your way to find any little tidbit that you can “sway” into saying Jesus is God Almighty – all the while ignoring the many CLEAR scriptures that say we have ONE Almighty God, and Jesus is not Him, but His SERVANT.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2013,14:30)Mike,Compare Isaiah 63 with Rev 19:Why are your garments red?I have trodden the winepress alone……..their blood spattered my garments, and I stained all my clothing.Notice how this person has garments stained with OTHER PEOPLE'S blood, because he has ALREADY trodden the winepress.He is clothed in a robe…[Read more]

(3)  As the theos who is over all is theos with the article not without it, so the Word is the source of that reason (Logos) which dwells in every reasonable creature; the reason which is in each creature is not, like the former called par excellence the Word. As I understand Origen's words above, he is making a distinction (much like John did)…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2013,14:57)So, since theos in John 1:1c is written in the nominative case and not as an adjective or a noun that is not written in the nominative case, we can't say that is must not be one particular God.Well I don't know about all the nominative stuff, but it seems easy to me that 1:1 is about TWO gods – one of whom was…[Read more]

In the Rev passage, Jesus is clothed in a robe that is covered with HIS OWN blood. (cf Rev 5:6)In Isaiah 63, the subject is covered with the blood of those he killed.

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 22 2013,00:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,18:02)t8,The Hebrew word ha-adam has the article 'ha' and refers to one person no matter what their proper name is. ……….adam without the article refers to mankind in general. So 'the adam' can refer to Seth, or Noah, or Moses.True because THE Adam is identifying a particular man,…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 21 2013,23:23)God said let **us** (plural) make man in our image.Clearly the Father, Word and BreathHow can you be sure your understanding of the “US” is correct, Daniel?  Consider the following:Genesis 3 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 21 2013,21:16)Pro 8:23 I WAS SET UP FROM ETERNITY , and of old, before the earth was made. Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, FROM EVERLASTINGThe Hebrew…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 22 2013,08:39)T8 and Mike…………….Just as i thought you simply ignore My post and refuse to be honest and answer the questions i ask in that post.t8 answered you honestly, Gene. I haven't yet answered that new set of questions because I am still waiting for your acknowledgment of the last one.So please address…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 23 2013,02:33)The world (and everything in it) was made through the power of the Holy Spirit so scriptures (and books such as Hermes and Wisdom) tell us.I would say the world and all other things were made by the power of God Himself. The Holy Spirit of God is not an entity in and of itself, that it should have it's own…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 22 2013,18:52)Hi Mike,Is the Spirit of God the same as the Holy Spirit?Yes.

So 2B doesn't actually argue against the COMMON SENSE that the “root of” something comes BEFORE that something.  He instead argues against John's revelation itself, thinking that if we could only remove that book, we could eliminate those words of Jesus, which have become a problem for the non-preexisters.Gene, on the other hand, has to twist the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 20 2013,22:32)The 'I' is YHVH, the Son, as the 'Root' and He fulfills the prophecy as the 'Shoot/offspring of David.'Kathi, The “I” in the passage has his garments stained with the blood of the ones he destroyed – not his own blood.How does that link to Jesus, the offspring of David?

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 22 2013,17:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2013,12:26)My point (well, actually Ed's) exactly, 2B!  Adam is the SON of God.  But if Adam was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God, who is already “the Son of God”, as you claim, then Adam would really be the GRANDSON of God.Same with Jesus.No, Mike, it is not the same..So tell me w…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2013,23:23)Quote (abe @ Mar. 22 2013,10:17)Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2013,19:34)………..if I was not born ,would i be in my father in reality NO, in allegorically yes,YOU MAY JUST SAY THE MINERAL ORE IN 2010, AS MY FORD PICKUP MODEL 2013 IN ITHi T,Jer,1:5   Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,20:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,19:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,10:19)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,06:13)Certainly there is the reference that THE God is greater than the Word. Please show us this reference.Well, Jesus is called “the Word of God” because he is God's spokesman, right?  So who is greater…[Read more]

My point (well, actually Ed's) exactly, 2B! Adam is the SON of God. But if Adam was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God, who is already “the Son of God”, as you claim, then Adam would really be the GRANDSON of God.Same with Jesus.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 19 2013,07:50)Mike………You have not given me ONE SCRIPTURE, that SAYS, Jesus preexisted his berth on this earth……….Slow down Gene. You asked for a scripture that says Jesus is a god. I gave you one in my last post, right?I need you to either acknowledge or refute that scripture before I go down this other…[Read more]

I answered your first question.  Now answer mine BEFORE you ask me another, okay?Here it is again:  I and my father are “truly human” because we both belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”?   YES or NO?

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,19:05)Mike, I did that test in IE and it had no bearing on the pages downloading because the icons loaded last. In other words I was able to see each page before the icons download.I'm using the newest version – I believe 9. But I think you are missing the point, t8. The page itself loads before the icons do. So I can…[Read more]