Pierre,It seems to me that Abe is using Gal 4:6, and Kerwin is using Gal 1:16 as “proof” that God's Holy Spirit is His Son…….. just because they both mention “the spirit of the Son”.My question to Abe and Kerwin is this:Does the Holy Spirit of God have a spirit of its/his own?  YES or NO?(I've asked this before, but got no response.)

Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2013,23:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2013,07:34)Consider which Son of God dwells in the believers:John 14:23 King James VersionJesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.So even if you insist that the Son…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2013,22:12)Quote (abe @ April 03 2013,09:19)And you and Mike thought it was God?  I think deep down You and Mike are trinitarians.COULD YOU TELL US WHAT IS IT THAT “WE THOUGHT “” WAS GOD I was wondering the same thing.  

Quote (abe @ April 02 2013,20:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2013,16:34)Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,20:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,17:40) Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2013,11:40)The fact that Christ is resurrected  from the dead it does not make him the holy spirit ,right ?I'd like to hear Abe's answer as well.Hi Mike,Gal.4:6   Because y…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 02 2013,13:14)Mike,You look at scriptures only literally.Scripture is God's word,therefore spiritual!Is that your way of agreeing with me that no scripture actually says Jesus died a different death than we do? You can't rightly take a scripture that DOESN'T say what you want it to say, and then just accuse me of not being…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2013,20:47)Also, for something/someone to participate in their own bringing forth from another, they have to exist already.Kathi,Which SCRIPTURE says that the Logos participated in his own bringing forth?

Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2013,23:30)In other words, Tatian doe not agree with your theology that the Logos was a creation.Let's see, using the Tatian words YOU just posted:For the Lord of the universe, who is Himself the necessary ground (ὑπόστασις) of all being, inasmuch as no creature was yet in existence, was alone;The Lord was ALONE in the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2013,12:21)I'm asking you (I mean Mike) to explain the verse –I've explained it to you so many times I've lost count, Ed.  I even dedicated an entire thread to this subject – just for you.  But you soon bailed on that thread, didn't you?Let's refresh:Jehovah clearly said that besides Him, there were no ELOHIM, didn't H…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 02 2013,19:38)Hi Mike.Quote If there is literally only one spirit, then the spirit of the antichrist is also the Holy Spirit.  And your spirit is the Holy Spirit.  And Satan's spirit is the Holy Spirit.  And so on.Ephesians 4 and 1Cor 6:17,12:13, etc.Let me reword these as questions:Is the spirit of the antichrist the Holy Sp…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 02 2013,19:40)Mike, The Word is not the entire being of God Almighty but a part of God Almighty.Very good. So, if the “theos” in part b DOES refer to the entire being of God, and the “theos” in part c DOES NOT refer to the entire being of God – we have a case where the two “theos” are referring to DIFFERENT things,…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 02 2013,19:34)Mike, I understand Abe's verses. You need to really pay attention, or you may miss something.Pierre and I also understand those verses just fine, 2B.  We're just not seeing where they say the Holy Spirit is a son of God, or where they say Jesus became the Holy Spirit upon his resurrection.Perhaps you could…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 02 2013,19:33)Quote Hi 2B,Thanks for your answers!   The following question should get us closer to understanding each other:Do you believe the “theos” in John 1:1b is THE ENTIRE BEING OF GOD ALMIGHTY?  Yes or No?Hi Mike.The Word is a part of God Almighty, just as your Word and your Spirit is a part of You. (As I have said be…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 02 2013,19:25)The Greek does not say 'We', but “I” will come and make abode with Him.The Greek word is written in the first person PLURAL, 2B.  That means “WE”.Quote (2besee @ April 02 2013,19:25)The Holy Spirit was sent, and there is only one Spirit, as scriptures say. Not two.If there is literally only one spirit, then the…[Read more]

Hi 2B,Thanks for your answers!    The following question should get us closer to understanding each other:Do you believe the “theos” in John 1:1b is THE ENTIRE BEING OF GOD ALMIGHTY?  Yes or No?

Wow Daniel, that was a long post!  First up:  It seemed before that you thought Jehovah gave HIS name to Jesus, and that Jehovah (God Almighty) is actually named “Jesus” in the NT.Are you now agreeing with me that Jesus has a DIFFERENT name than his and our God – like Revelations 3:12 attests?Now, on to your main question:  *what Jesus is* be…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2013,12:49)Quote (abe @ April 03 2013,00:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,17:40)Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2013,11:40)The fact that Christ is resurrected  from the dead it does not make him the holy spirit ,right ?I'd like to hear Abe's answer as well.Hi T, and Mike,Is.66:8   “Who has heard such a thing? Who h…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2013,15:11)Mike,There is but you choose to deny it.Then show me just ONE scripture that you think says the Holy Spirit is a son of God.Post the scripture, and WHY you think it says what you think it says. And we can discuss whether or not that scripture really says what you think it says – or if you're just reaching.THEN,…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ April 02 2013,12:01)Is.11:2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him……………………..On who, Abe? Who will the Spirit of Jehovah rest on? His firstborn Son Jesus Christ, right?Doesn't that right there tell you that God's Son is one thing, and the Spirit that RESTS ON him is something else?

Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,21:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,17:37)Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2013,11:10)Mike,1)  The Son is a metaphor of the Spirit's relationship to Jehovah as there is but one God.2)  Jesus being the Son is also a metaphor of his relationship to Jehovah.Kerwin,  1)  There is no hint in any scripture that God's Holy Spi…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ April 01 2013,20:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,17:40) Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2013,11:40)The fact that Christ is resurrected  from the dead it does not make him the holy spirit ,right ?I'd like to hear Abe's answer as well.Hi Mike,Gal.4:6   Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, c…[Read more]