The Greek “aggelos”, like the Hebrew “malak”, means messenger. When the messenger in question is deemed to be a spirit being by English translators, many of them use the English word angel – which is not in any Biblical text. There is no such Hebrew or Greek word that designates a spirit messenger of God, like the English word angel does.

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Okay Kathi, but if not “all spirit sons of God”, then which particular spirit sons of God was David talking about when he said, “You have made mankind a little lower than the gods”?

Was mankind made a little lower than some of the “angels”, but higher than others?  I don’t get it.  Which of these gods, exactly, was David talking about if not a…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

I just have a tiny amount of time to spend here due to my college work and family time. I might have more time for a dedicated thread after the semester, middle of May. 

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Mike: WHY is Moses under the impression that our Creator is the Father – a single male entity?

 

LU:  The Arm/Word of the LORD “Jesus” was not revealed yet as Je…

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Berean: Mike

It can be one of three possibilities.

Wow.  Why is this subject always like pulling teeth?  What are people so afraid of?

Okay Berean, let’s try all three of the possibilities listed by your source, since you won’t commit to one of them…

Psalm 8:5… You have made mankind a little lower than the gods…

1. The idols of the he…[Read more]

The DEFINITION of elohim is god/gods, Kathi.  Your memory is correct that the word is applied to what we in English call “angels”.  The writers of scripture didn’t ever call them “angels”.  They called them messengers, gods, sons of God, spirits, and demons.  In Ephesians 6:12, Paul calls them “the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly rea…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Let’s put this together to isolate the statement you are making that is relevant to my rebuttal.

Okay.

Proclaimer:  Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a 24 hour period is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a 24 hour period.

Well, you have half of it right.  Let me show the other h…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Thus, the context shows that the days are NOT 24 hours long.

What context, exactly, shows that the six days of creation are “NOT 24 hours long”?

PROCLAIMER, I’M ADDRESSING YOUR POSTS BECAUSE I HAVE THE TIME TO DO SO RIGHT NOW, AND BECAUSE UNLIKE YOU, I’M NOT AFRAID OF AN OPEN AND HEARTY DISCUSSION. BUT YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE POSTING ANYTHING ON ANY THREAD UNTIL YOU ANSWER MY “MUST ANSWER” QUESTION ABOVE.  PLEASE HONOR YOUR OWN RULES AND THE RULES OF THIS THREAD BY ANSWERING THAT…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike,   “Hugh” problem, you still have , is your,  not understanding the word God , big or little, comes from the same word,  and is never describes the person, it describes  is “YOUR”,  relationship with any object that exists…

Perhaps you’re just not explaining this concept correctly.  Please copy and paste a scholarly writing that ex…[Read more]

2 Kings 1:2-4… Now Ahaziah had fallen through the lattice of his upper room in Samaria and injured himself. So he sent messengers, saying to them, “Go and consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron, to see if I will recover from this injury.”

But the angel of Yahweh said to Elijah the Tishbite, “Go up and meet the messengers of the king of Samar…[Read more]

Here are some others…

Psalm 95:3
For the LORD is a great God, a great King above all gods.

Psalm 96:4
For great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; He is to be feared above all gods.

Psalm 97:7
All worshipers of images are put to shame–those who boast in idols. Worship Him, all you gods!

Who exactly are all these different gods?

Which explanation, Berean?  Your source lists three different ones – the first of which their own words disavow.

Proclaimer: You have just admitted that there exists the day that God created the heavens and the earth and by extension of that, if your definition of creation days are 24 hours, then that conflicts with 6 x 24 hours for the creation period because you admit to the day of creation.

No conflict at all, sir.  For example, you often use the idiom, “…[Read more]

Proclaimer: I also spelled out why creation days are not calendar days, because a day to God is NOT 24 hours.

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Your “Get Out of Jail Free” card has already been addressed numerous times, including a thorough debunking…[Read more]

Mike:  You ADMITTED THE TRUTH for a brief second!
Proclaimer:  Incorrect again Mike.

Too funny!  😅😂🤣

“You admitted the truth!”

“No I didn’t!”

😁😎  

Okay then.  Moving on…

Psalm 138:1… A Psalm of David. I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.

Who are these gods that King David is singing praises about Yahweh to?

Carmel:  SO I repeat: THEY ARE NOT TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SAME CONCEPT!

They are talking about the same book of life that was written since the world began.

Revelation 13:8

English Standard Version… and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of…[Read more]

Case in point, Kathi…

Mike: For example, YOU chose Yahweh the Father as the speaker in Gen 1:26 – and “Yahweh the Son” as the one who actually created mankind in 1:27.  So I showed you this…

Deuteronomy 32:6…  Is this the way you repay Yahweh, you foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?

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LU:  I include the Spirit too, as the united “inner person.” It’s just a matter of semantics.

Kathi, this is why I started a dedicated thread where you would feel obligated to stand and defend your claims.  We offer a lot of arguments against your doctrine, but you only seem to address the posts that give you the opportunity to promote even mo…[Read more]

Mike: The only one I know who believes that God is a unity of Yahweh the Father and “Yahweh the Son” (but NOT a “Yahweh the Spirit” third person) is you.

LU:  I include the Spirit too, as the united “inner person.” It’s just a matter of semantics.

What does that mean?  Does your Godhead have TWO Yahwehs – as you repeatedly teach?  Or is th…[Read more]