Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2013,13:58)Quote So, if the entire being of God Almighty is NOT a creation, but has always existed, then it likewise stands to reason that all parts OF that eternally existing being have also existed from eternity, right?So you say Mike, but you deny the eternal existence when it is the Word of God, the Wisdom of God,…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 01 2013,22:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2012,09:57)Hi Kathi,During the course of our “proskuneo” discussion, I referred you and Keith to 2 Samuel 1:2, where a man bows down to King David.  I told you guys that the word used in the LXX was “proskuneo”, and that it didn't mean this man “worshipped” King David as if he were…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ April 02 2013,06:07)It was not the will of the Father for the Son to crush the faith of the Jews by exposing the imperfections of the priest whom the people trusted or the misunderstood traditions of their past that they depended on so intensely as the promise keepers, for their national identity.Colter, I'm sorry, but what you…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,18:57)Theos in B = The entire being of God, I agree.Theos in C = The entire being of God.But you just got done telling me that the theos in part c was “a part of God“, right?Surely a “part of” God isn't the same as “the entire being of God”, right?

Also see Rev 14:14-20. Jesus is one of the participants in this case, but there are also others involved.Does Rev 14 describe the same event that is described in Rev 19?

All throughout the prophets, Kathi. Many times, after God let Israel be beaten down for her sins, He used similar language when referring to His coming vengeance against the nations that He let beat Israel down.Read Joel 3 for one such time. (Verse 13 even has the metaphoric “grape” language.)

Quote (jammin @ April 03 2013,03:33)Christ and his father are both God.Correction: Christ and us both HAVE the same God.I worship the God OF Christ, jammin. You worship that same God, but then ADD another “God” of your own into the mix.Which one of us has the same God Jesus has, jammin? Me, or you?

Ruth 4:17The women living there said, “Naomi has a son!” And they named him Obed. He was the father of Jesse, the father of David.Well, Obed, for one.

Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,20:06)There you go then. If Isaiah is referring to the same rider in Rev. then Jehovah who is the rider in Isa 63 is also the Lamb who is the rider in Rev.And who says the rider in Rev is the same as the one “striding” in Is 63?

Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,20:01)After the battle the robe is more bloody with the blood of those He attacked with His OWN ARM.So if Jesus is the one with the blood spattered garments, then who are you saying is Jesus' “OWN ARM”?I still don't see where you're going with this, Kathi.

Jehovah, as far as I can tell.

Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2013,15:17)That makes Jesus their father and Jehovah their grandfather.Kerwin, you have got to stop, man.  So now Jesus is our father, and God is our grandfather?  Where does your newly acquired “Holy Spirit Son of God” fit in?  Wasn't it “he” who conceived Jesus?And if that's the case, Jesus is our “father”, the “Holy Sp…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2013,22:26)Mike,Jesse is Jesse's offspring as in stump of Jesse's offspring.   Jesus is the branch of Jesse's offspring.  He is a branch among Jesse's offspring.  A branch that is fruitful, which is to say a root.David is a branch among Jesse's children and also a root for he sired children for the entire group of Je…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,18:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 04 2013,12:13)Quote (abe @ April 02 2013,20:03)Hi Mike,Gal.4:6   Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”Mike you are in complete  DENIAL  on this verse?Do you understand that?Peace brother..Abe,As Pierre and I have cl…[Read more]

Read it closely, 2B. I am not asking you if there were two GODS in John 1:1.I am merely pointing out that you agree with me that the theos in part b IS the ENTIRE being of God Almighty, and the theos in part c IS NOT the ENTIRE being of God Almighty.And that one little agreement puts you and I closer to each other's understanding than we started,…

Quote (4Thomas @ April 02 2013,23:32)Thanks for being honest, but mike this is not true.I will always be honest, and as direct as I can with you, Daniel.  If I am wrong about any scriptural understanding I currently hold, then I am “honestly” wrong.  In other words, I don't PRETEND to believe certain things just because my pre-conceived doctrine o…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,15:15)I would like to hear more of Abe's view…………2 Timothy 4:3For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

2B, before you bail, I would really like a response to this post:Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Quote (2besee @ April 02 2013,19:40)Mike, The Word is not the entire being of God Almighty but a part of God Almighty.Very good.  So, if the “theos” in part b DOES refer to the entire being of God, and the “theos” in part c DOES NOT refer to the entire being of…[Read more]

Okay All,It is clear that none of you can actually show any scripture that says God's Holy Spirit is one of His sons. And now we have 2B and Gene threatening to walk away from the discussion because it is not going their way.In light of this fact, I will speed up the “Holy Spirit Son of God” comparisons of John 1.4 In him was life, and that life…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,14:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2013,14:54)Quote (2besee @ April 02 2013,19:38)Hi Mike.Quote If there is literally only one spirit, then the spirit of the antichrist is also the Holy Spirit.  And your spirit is the Holy Spirit.  And Satan's spirit is the Holy Spirit.  And so on.Ephesians 4 and 1Cor 6:17,12:13, et…[Read more]