Quote (kerwin @ April 06 2013,19:41)Mike,Your words infer Jehovah did not create the multidimensions of space.How?

Gene,It seriously tires me to address your posts.  They are usually unorganized, hard to read, and repeat the same old tired stuff I've addressed for you a thousand times already.  But here goes………….Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 06 2013,09:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 06 2013,12:54)Seems fairly obvious that John is testifying ABOUT Jesus C…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 06 2013,22:25)let it be true that ;their are no real children,no real marriage,no real bride ,no real groom,their are sons of God ,their are brothers but those are ALLEGORICAL THERMS TO EXPLAIN HOW THING ARE,WILL BE AND COME TO THE ENDAmen. Well put, Pierre.

Mark 8:33 He turned, looked at his disciples and rebuked Peter, and said: “Get behind me, Satan, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”Perhaps Jesus should have also been a little “nicer” to Peter in this instance?My emotions are divided about your comment, journey.1.  Yes, you are right that we, as IMPERFECT Christians ourselv…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 06 2013,21:51)I am saying you are technically correct, but the reader needs to further understand the application is qualitative.And I repeat:  “qualitatively god” is EXACTLY EQUAL TO “a god”.So let's just tell it like it is.  Besides, I don't think John's intention in 1:1 was to say the Word was “God-like”, or “good like God”, o…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 06 2013,21:47)Quote (kerwin @ April 07 2013,17:41)T8,Where is “a” in the Ancient Greek.There is no indefinite article in Greek.Thus when Jesus said, “One of you is a devil”. He actually said, “one of you is devil”.Translators put in the indefinite article to make in intelligible in English.Kerwin is well aware of this fact, t8 -…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 06 2013,20:29)Further if Jesus can say, “ye are theos” (noun), then is he calling them little YHWHs?He was calling them “gods”, plain and simple.  BTW, I believe that verse is about the divine counsel – not men like most people think.  I believe God was speaking to the spirit sons that He had placed over various nations of the e…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 06 2013,19:55)Further, I agree with you that John 1:1c can be correctly translated as “the Word was a god”, just as Jesus said, “one of you is a devil”, but I think the reader needs to read them both as referring to nature or in quality, rather than literal.In that sense both could be translated as saying the Word was one who is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 06 2013,19:51)Interesting note Mike that when Jesus said of Judas, “one of you is a devil” (one of you is diablos), that as Kathi points out that too is an adjective, but is said to be almost invariably used in the New Testament as a noun.I did some checking, and “diablos” in John 6:70 is for sure an adjective.  BUT………. I…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 06 2013,18:52)To return to John 1:1 where does the “a” come in.  There is no explicit “a” in the ancient Greek.  Adding an “a” shifts the meaning in the three sentences I used.Kerwin, Here are your sentences again:1.  The word was with the divine, The word was divine.2.  The word was with the god, the word was god.3.  Th…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 06 2013,17:34)you would be right if the bible start at Christ coming ,and that Paul never said this………Pierre,You are correct that these guys seem to think John 1 is the ONLY scripture that speaks of Jesus' pre-existence.  Can they twist ALL of these scriptures?

Quote (kerwin @ April 06 2013,16:54)T and all,The word was with the divine, The word was divine.The word was with the god, the word was god.Kerwin,I'm glad you have finally come to realize that the word was not literally the very God it was with. That is a step in the right direction.But you can forget about “the word was divine” :The noun form…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 05 2013,18:18)Hi Mike,The FACT that Origens writings regarding John 1:1 could have been tampered with as His writings, as Wikipedia says, definitely were tampered with,  means “Why would you trust them?”So?  This thread has less to do with what Origen wrote than it has to do with the SCRIPTURAL POSSIBILITIES of what he c…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 06 2013,15:39)WHEN I PRAY TO JESUS I KNOW IN TRUTH THAT THE FATHER ACCEPTED MY PRAYERS.I don't pray to Jesus, Charles. Instead, I pray to the Father God through the one He appointed as mediator between us and our one true God.IE: I pray to God through His mediator, Jesus Christ. The Apostles did the same.

Quote (carmel @ April 06 2013,15:33)BUT CHRIST DOES NOT WORSHIP HIS FATHER like he did when he was a man!Do you have any scriptural support for that claim, Charles?It seems to me that while on earth, Jesus worshiped the one he also called “my God”, right?Now that Jesus has been exalted by his God and our God, he still calls the Father “my God”,…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 06 2013,15:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 06 2013,19:21)and I will also write on them my new name.Mike,That scriptures is confirming that Jesus is UNITED AS ONE WITH GOD.Actually Charles, Rev 3:12 makes it clear that Jesus and his God have different names.  That's why he says he will write on us “the name of my God…………[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 06 2013,14:41)Gene,I SAID THAT JESUS DIDN'T DIE LIKE WE DO!Scripture is clear about that!Gene and I are still waiting for the scripture(s) that support your claim, Charles.

Quote (carmel @ April 06 2013,00:31)Mike,JESUS HAS NO GOD ANYMORE!JESUS HAD HIS GOD TILL HE RESURRECTED, AND AFTERWORDS HE ASCENDED IN THE STATE OF HIS GOD,(SPIRIT) AND OUR GOD (CARNAL)Revelation 3:12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 06 2013,00:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 06 2013,09:44)Surely you jest, Kerwin.  Does 2B believe that?  How about Abe?  Gene?  Ed J?  Marty?BTW, nice try, but the Word WAS MADE flesh.  The word “egeneto” is a VERB, Kerwin.  In your wording, it would mean that someone called the Word actually MADE (ie: created) some flesh.…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ April 05 2013,22:07)Mike, I feel that you are genuinely reading more into Jesus' personal opinion of the OT than is really there. We just disagree.Colter,In John 10:35, Jesus says, “scripture cannot be broken”. What do you suppose he meant by those words?