Quote (jammin @ April 21 2013,18:29)you are the son of your fatheryou are HUMAN just like you father.And if I am the son of the human President of the United States, I know I would also be human – but would I also be the President of the United States?What you are TRYING (unsuccessfully) to do is say “President” IS the nature, therefore the son of…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2013,06:37)If you are willing to suffer paradoxes in your teachings then any teaching will do.Interesting point, Kerwin. Well put.

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,23:32)where can you read that i say i dont believe Christ is the only son of GOd?I can read it in every post you make, jammin. If you believe Jesus IS God, then you can't possibly believe he is the SON OF God.When you say, “Jesus IS the very God he is the SON OF”, the only thing sensible people here is…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,22:46)John 3:18King James Version (KJV)18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.See jammin? I actually BELIEVE that scripture, whereas YOU don't.I believe that Jesus is the only begotten SON…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,22:18)christ and his father are two persons but HAVE the same nature, GodGood, jammin.Now, since we all know that “God” is not a “nature”, then it seems you agree that Jesus and his own God are two DIFFERENT persons/BEINGS who have the same SPIRIT nature.The nature of God is “spirit nature”, just like the nature of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,22:34)Mike,An almighty theos nature is a distinct and unique nature that is shared by the Father and the only begotten Son only.Kathi,Do you see how you, Kerwin, and I are all talking about SHARING a nature? jammin is not talking about that. Instead, he is saying the Father and Son ARE a nature.Do you see the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,22:22)Mike,Do you think God is an angel?An angel of WHO, Kathi? Who is it that sends Almighty YHWH to deliver his message?

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,22:06)Jesus was a theos being, not an angel being, Mike. Get it straight.Show me the difference in the scriptures, Kathi. Show me how the angel “Jesus” is a “god BEING”, while the other “gods” in Ps 82 are not “god BEINGS”.What SCRIPTURE tells us that the angel/god Jesus Christ is a different kind of BEING than…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,19:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,19:52)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,21:48)Let's not forget that fathers naturally have a position higher than their sons.And let's not forget that gods naturally have a higher position than those they are the god of.  Jehovah is the most High. Jehovah is BOTH God of gods…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,19:55)The only begotten God would have a God of His own,Why?  Fathers beget, God creates.  If Jehovah literally begot me, He would be my FATHER – but why would He be my GOD?Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,19:55)His Father who is theos would by default be theos to the only begotten theos.Why?  If I was an eq…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,19:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,19:42)Oh, and don't forget that the nation of Israel was also “called by the name of YHWH”.  Does that make THEM “YHWH Himself”?Kathi, stop looking for specks and ignoring the planks.The speck is that Israel is called BY the name of YHVH. All of us, if we are truly…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,19:48)He was a heavenly messenger and in that sense He was called an angel at times but the Bible confirms Him as YHVH.And how about the angel in the burning bush? He was addressed as “YHWH”. Was that Jesus in the bush?How about all the other ones? Were the angels who were addressed as “YHWH” all Jesus? Doesn't…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,19:45)Mike,From what I can tell, the Angel of the LORD is one of Jesus' titles but He was not an angel being but instead theos, John 1:1.The fact that he was called “god” is irrelevant, since many of God's angels were called “god” – Satan included.So that part is the speck.  The PLANK is that Jesus is an angel of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,19:40)Mike,These other elohim came through Jesus and not directly from the Father. Do you agree?Absolutely. God created Jesus' spirit brothers through His firstborn Son, Jesus.

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,10:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,06:56)Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,22:41)The rabbinical understanding of the “Holy Spirit” has a certain degree of personification, but it remains, “a quality belonging to God, one of his attributes”.Bravo!  I couldn't have worded it better myself.  I'm going to save that o…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,20:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2013,12:20)jammin,Which is closer to the truth:A.  Kerwin and his father ARE a nature?B.  Kerwin and his father are two separate beings who SHARE a nature?are you saying in letter b that sharing a nature means having the same nature?Yes.

Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,20:14)jammin, I understand you. You are not hard to understand. Hang in there and don't let them get to you.Kathi, he thinks “God Almighty” is a NATURE – not a BEING with a heart, soul, and mind.Do YOU agree with that?

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,17:15)you cant win on a debate. your points are too weak.jammin,Even the people who preach your doctrine can't explain it, so why would anybody think you can?  Look at what people say about it:“Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over…[Read more]

jammin,Which is closer to the truth:A. Kerwin and his father ARE a nature?B. Kerwin and his father are two separate beings who SHARE a nature?

Quote (jammin @ April 20 2013,00:16)ok ill say it again. i said it depends on how you use the word BEING.Naw…………. You don't need to bother saying it anymore, jammin. I've had my laugh for months about this. My stomach hurts from laughing so much about it.You point was shot down. End of story. Let's talk about that new scripture you…[Read more]