Okay Kerwin,And what about God's spirit sons, who not only came first, but were made higher than Adam? Do you suppose that God first made His spirit sons in the image of something other than Him, but then decided to make man, who is LOWER THAN the angels, in His image?If man, who is LOWER THAN the angels, was made in the image of God, but the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,17:09)So applying the pattern “the Word is God” to the clause “Love is God” you get that Love possesses the nature of God.There is no clause “Love is God”, Kerwin. So there is no pattern to be applied.You keep bringing up the fact that one of the definitions of “is” is “equals”. Do you mean like 2+2 IS 4 is the same…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ April 28 2013,11:35)Hi Mike,Ephesians 6:12  New International VersionFor our struggle is not against flesh and blood………….Thats exactly what Gene was trying to tell you.Abe, What do those first words mean to you:A. Our struggle IS against human beings?B. Our struggle IS NOT against human beings?Which one, please?

Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,17:09)According to Phillip Harner the correct interpretation of John 1:1 is that the Word possessed the nature of God in the beginning. Okay.  Let's assume that is the correct understanding.  Wouldn't that mean that “the Word” is someone or something OTHER THAN God, who possessed the nature OF God?So what exactly IS “…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2013,15:32)Mike and Gene,We are to fight the evil spirits that are in ourselves and others and not the person(s) themselves. Our weapons are not the weapons of this world.Ephesians 6:12 New International VersionFor our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the…[Read more]

Good stuff, Kerwin.Thanks for that info.Gene, it seems we are all once again in agreement about something.

Quote (4Thomas @ April 26 2013,01:13)Mike there is no evidence, if there is – please show me at least 1 early church writing………So the words of the Pope himself, saying that the Catholic Church changed the formula early on, and not too many people know about it, weren't enough?  Daniel, let's use our God-given common sense here:1.  God tol…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2013,00:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 27 2013,10:44)My understanding comes from ME reading and re-reading the scriptures, and studying them over and over again.Hi Mike, I guess all the bible verses that say there are no other God's has not sunk in yet.  That is a perfect proof of what I've claimed, Ed. By far, the most…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 26 2013,18:28)believe it or not but the bible said that.ex 3.2knox2 And here the Lord revealed himself through a flame that rose up from the midst of a bush; it seemed that the bush was alight, yet did not burn.jammin,Would you have us all believe that God Almighty is an angel of Himself? Would you really dare to go that…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 27 2013,10:04)The WORD CHRISTOS does mean .”THE ANOINTED” or MESSIAH, which is a representative of GOD'S PRESENCE with a BEING , HUMAN or ANGEL.Gene,I agree with you that “christos” means “anointed” – not “anointing”.In other words, “christos” applies to someone that God anointed – not to the spirit that the person was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 27 2013,10:40)Mike…… Yes please do ask them………….Now what was,said was our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against human beings who are being effected by those darken spirits working in them causing them to do the things they do, and this applies also to the heavenly realm also. Okay…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 26 2013,18:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 27 2013,09:15)Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,21:12)that is just your excuse. i already answered lots of your questions but you ignore my questions. ill repeat boydo you agree that being also means nature? yes or no?>I agree with the following uses of the word “being” that YOU YOURSELF…[Read more]

That's right, Kerwin.And in the Hebrew of that verse, David called Saul “YHWH's mashiyach”.  The Hebrew word “mashiyach” is the English word “messiah”.Saul was one of MANY messiahs in the scriptures. (The word “christ”, or “christos”, is merely the Greek version of that Hebrew word “mashiyach”.) So Saul was one messiah/christ of God. There…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2013,21:35)Quote (Ed J @ April 26 2013,14:33)Hi Mike,I don't feel it's a crime to disclose one's affiliation.But sorry about detouring your discussion. That would be comparable to you saying to someone: “Ed doesn't believe in the rapture.”I accept the apology, Ed.  Thanks for that.  But how are the JWs my “affiliation”?  …[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,20:54)you have two homeworks now.Only TWO? You have about a hundred! Okay, I've just taken care of my “two homeworks”. How about you start with the 8th post on the previous page. We'll make that your first homework, okay?

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,21:08)what about the commentary? what did they say about 1 cor 10.4? do they agree that the Rock is Christ himself?BTW, I'm not even arguing that the rock WASN'T Jesus Christ. I was only pointing out the obvious fact that if you believe it WAS Jesus, then you must also believe Jesus is “an angel OF YHWH”.

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,20:54)what if i can read to you word for word that the face of God has seen by men and live? will you accept that you are a false teacher?Nope. But I will admit I was wrong on this one point. (But only if you show me a HEBREW or GREEK ms that says it. Your twisted translations where men ADD whatever words they…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,21:08)let the bible speak and not your opinion..who is the Rock in 1cor 10.4?the rock is messiah himselfAgreed. Now WHICH messiah of God, exactly, was the one who was the rock in 1 Cor 10:4? Was it God's messiah Moses? Was it God's messiah Jesus? Was it perhaps a different messiah of God?The point is that the…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,20:53)Exodus 3:2 In this report of Moses and the burning bush, “the Angel of the Lord” is identified as the Lord Himself.Wrong. The angel is identified by the name “YHWH”, but it OBVIOUSLY doesn't mean one of God's angels is God Himself. Vice-regents were often identified by the name of the one they came to rep…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,20:53)angel has many meaning. angel also means messenger.So then “YES”? You agree that Jesus is an angel/messenger OF our one true God, Jehovah?Great! Because that is the scriptural truth of the matter.