Deuteronomy 32:6… Is this the way you repay Yahweh, you foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?

Malachi 2:10… Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?

Isaiah 64:8… Yet you, Yahweh, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hands.

Eureka, Berean!  They are indeed what we call angels. They are God’s spirit sons, and they are also gods – just like Yahweh and just about everyone else in the Bible calls them. 👍

LU:  Hi Adam, did you answer my last question to you? 

I haven’t seen anything from Adam in two weeks or more.  I pray that he is okay.

LU: The Father gives the vision, the Son turns the vision into reality. Both are involved. The Father’s vision wasn’t turned into reality apart from the Son, imo.

They each had a role in creation therefore one did not create without the other. You want me to pick one…the one Unity of Yahweh (Father, Son and Spirit) was the creator.…

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Gene:  Heaven and earth was already in existence when the Spirit of God moved upon the waters, so it could have not been created later right? Common sense 101.

Gene, what exactly were these “waters” that the Spirit of God moved upon?  Describe them for us.

As for your second point, it is indeed common sense 101.  So let’s reason it out to…[Read more]

How about this one, Gene?

Gen 26:1… And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham.

It’s talking about a famine that WAS in the past.  Would you say “the famine that BECAME in the days of Abraham”?

It doesn’t really matter anyway.  I’ve already showed you that “was” is the proper t…[Read more]

Thanks Danny. I think he is reading too many anti-God sources, and taking their claims at face value instead of investigating them. Yahweh is indeed the Most High God of all the other gods according to the Bible.  Cheers

For those who haven’t been following along, Proclaimer has gotten himself into some real trouble on our private thread.  He is unable to reasonably answer my “Must Answer” questions, and is stalling with irrelevant pontification.  Here are the questions he is supposed to answer before posting a single thing anywhere on HN…
Mike:  PLEASE PR…[Read more]

Here’s a good one, Gene…

Judges 2:15… Whenever Israel went out to fight, the hand of the LORD was against them to defeat them, just as he had sworn to them. They were in great distress.

Notice the word “was”.

Notice that it’s the same Qal Perfect form as Gen 1:2.  Yet it is rightly translated as “was”.  It wouldn’t make sense to say t…[Read more]

Gene, I read Frank Nelte’s writing, and I understand his claim that “hayah” is better translated as “became” in Gen 1:2 than as “was”.   He bases his assessment on the perfect tense of the word.  Here is Gen 1:2…

You see on the right that it is the Qal Perfect form of the word, right?  Yet all Bibles translate it as “was”, right?  Okay, that…[Read more]

Now please directly AND HONESTLY answer both of the questions in this post…

Private thread for Mike and Proclaimer only: “The Bible vs Scientism”

Proclaimer:  In Genesis 2:4,  how many days does it say took place for God to create the heaven and earth, and how many hours does that equal?

Gen 2:4 doesn’t mention a specific number of days, but instead uses the common idiom “in the day”, which intentionally refers to a general, unspecified time period.  The second part of the question isn’t an…[Read more]

Carmel: NOW TO GENESIS 2:4…

These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth
when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven. 

ABOVE IS NOT A SUMMARY OF WHAT’S TO FOLLOW, BUT AN INTRODUCTION PRECISELY TO THE PROCESS OF THE GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!

I like that terminology.  Gen 2:4 is an introd…[Read more]

Carmel, here is a freebie for you.  Frank said:

The Hebrew verb translated as “made” is “asah”. This verb is used seven times in chapter 1, GENESIS 1:31 = God saw everything that He had MADE.

Frank isn’t stupid.  He knows full well that 1:31 – in and of itself – completely destroys his argument, and so he tries to get ahead of the destructi…[Read more]

Carmel:  Go ahead Mike, teach Frank 

Is Frank here to stand and defend his misunderstandings and bizarre claims that are nowhere to be found in scripture?  If not, then YOU’LL have to choose what you think is Frank’s best argument, and put in in your own words so that you CAN stand and defend it against my scrutiny.

Huge copy and paste jobs do…[Read more]

Carmel: ANSWER MIKE PLEASE:

In the above description when a human being is CREATED, FORMED, MADE, AND ESTABLISHED,

is it all the same exact thing for you?

 

YES OR NO PLEASE!

YES.  And not just for me, but for all rational people.

You’ll see all four words there – each of them synonymous with the others.  And as an added bonus for eve…[Read more]

I’ve answered that question two different times now on this very page.  Perhaps you could spend 10 minutes of your time to actually read what I used 2 hours of my time to write… then you’d see the two times I already answered your question.  Keep in mind as you’re reading that the posts are only as long as they are because I meticulously a…[Read more]

Carmel:  If the word “and” had not been there, the first verse might have been taken for a sort of summary of all the rest of the chapter; and thus hasty readers, and preachers, and commentators have been too disposed to treat it in expounding the chapter. They imagined that God’s creating in the beginning was set out in detail under the various…

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Proclaimer:  I never stated that they were the same. Read what I said again…

“With the Lord a 24 hour period is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a 24 hour period.”

So then you understand that, if some knucklehead were to apply 2 Peter 3:8 to the creation account, that same knucklehead would have to allow for the days of…[Read more]

Carmel: GENESIS 2:4These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, IN THE DAY (why not “in the days” He made them in six days, no?) that the Lord God made (NOT CREATED) the heaven and the earth…

Funny you should bring this up, since I just addressed it to Proclaimer in our private thread a couple of hours ago.…[Read more]