Quote (abe @ April 29 2013,21:13)No, evil spirits in human beings.Close, but no cigar. Gene didn't say our struggle was against evil spirits IN human beings. He said our struggle was against human beings who are INFLUENCED BY evil spirits.Key words: Our struggle is against HUMAN BEINGSSo perhaps he MEANT what YOU are saying………. but that's…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,21:15)Put them both together.I don't want to put those two very different teachings together, 2B. I want to see where Hermas said the Word was a literal spoken word from God, or where Irenaeus says the Word is the Holy Spirit Son of God.Unless they BOTH say the SAME THING, one does not support the other.

Quote (jammin @ April 29 2013,21:13)where can you read in that verse that God is talking to his angels? you are giving me a footnote boy! LOLAre you kidding me? 99% of your “versions” that say what you want them to say are in brackets, italics, or footnotes, jammin.Are we now changing the rules? Okay, good! From now on, NEITHER of us…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 29 2013,21:14)talking to himself?? LOLGod the father is not talking to God the father boy LOLGod the father is talking to God the son.How do YOU know which “person in the Godhead” was doing the talking? Perhaps the Holy Spirit God said these words to the Son God, and the Father God wasn't even part of the discussion.How…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,21:08)You said that Elohim is plural and that the “us” and the “our” indicates that there was more than one God/god there in the beginning.. in which man was made in multiple God/gods images… it seems that is what you were saying.Or did I misunderstand what you were saying?Yeah, I think you misunderstood.I believe…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 29 2013,20:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,13:26)Quote (jammin @ April 29 2013,20:22)dont you see the upper part of that footnote?Post it for us all, jammin.  I didn't post the entire, huge footnote – only the sensible CONCLUSION that these 25 TRINITARIAN scholars came to.If YOU want to post the rest of it, go ahead.…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,20:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,15:30)Where did Irenaeus say the word was God's Holy Spirit Son?He didn't. Hermas did.So which one of them should we believe then?

Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,20:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,15:25)As for the rest of what you said, I have never claimed that God is “more than one”.  Nor did Jesus.  And my understanding that our ONE God was talking to His divine counsel of angels in Gen 1:26 also doesn't imply that I think God is more than ONE.  So I don't really kn…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 29 2013,20:57)you do not know what you are saying boy. anointed is not the same as Anointed.do you understand what im saying?>Oh I understand alright. I understand that you think by capping the “A”, the anointed one OF God becomes the very God who anointed him.It's not that I don't understand WHAT you're saying. It's just…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 29 2013,18:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,11:13)So then “YES”, you WILL try to convince us that Jehovah is an angel of Himself?the bible said that. if you dont want to believe the bible, it is up to youDo you believe “Jehovah is an angel OF Jehovah” is the ONLY WAY those words can be understood, jammin? Or could it be…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 29 2013,18:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,11:22)BTW jammin,Kerwin, Gene and I were expecting a “Thank You!” for teaching you that God has had many messiahs – not just Jesus of Nazareth.boy do you know what you are saying> we are talking about 1 cor 10.4i believe that it refers to Christ, our liberating King boy . study…[Read more]

Okay Daniel,You brought up this scripture earlier:John 8 NIV ©24 “I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be , you will indeed die in your sins.”25 “Who are you?” they asked.“Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied.Jesus said these words in John 8:25, so I thought…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,19:38)Just saying that Irenaeus understood it the same way as Hermas, and they were BEFORE Origen.They are all just men, 2B. Where did Irenaeus say the word was God's Holy Spirit Son? I didn't see that part.

Quote (jammin @ April 29 2013,20:22)dont you see the upper part of that footnote?Post it for us all, jammin. I didn't post the entire, huge footnote – only the sensible CONCLUSION that these 25 TRINITARIAN scholars came to.If YOU want to post the rest of it, go ahead. All it says is that many people want to IMAGINE some trinity hint with these…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,19:33)Mike,The words “us” and “our” are NOT there, not in the Hebrew nor in the Hebrew understanding. Jesus did not correct the Hebrews understanding that God (Elohim) is one did He?2B,I suggest you ask a Hebrew scholar about it. Did you know that a certain “vav” in Hebrew translates to the English word “and”? And…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 29 2013,10:14)Mike……When did i say Our God is not a Being?Many times in many threads, Gene. But just to be sure:Gene, do you believe that God Almighty is a spirit being? YES or NO?As for the rest of your post, I agree that sometimes the word “spirit” does NOT refer to a being with its own mind and will. But many…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2013,05:27)Mike……..The powers of this world are men and world leaders who control the world governments and “IF” the Spirits working “IN” them are evil then those Spirits are influencing them to do those evil works. Quote (abe @ April 28 2013,21:19)Mike, why didn't you put the  WHOLE post in?Okay Abe, I put the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2013,03:41)Mike,Gene has some difficulty expressing his ideas.  Sometimes his words do conflict with one another and he fails to communicate his ideas.  I think this is one of those times.I agree, Kerwin.And as my original post will attest, all I did was matter-of-factly tell him that his words not only contradicted P…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 29 2013,14:38)Jesus was not a mediator between Jews and gentiles, of which I agree he also was, since HE REDEEMED ALL OF MANKINDBut between GOD (SPIRIT) AND MAN( SINFULL FLESH)Charles,I think most of us here agree with you that Jesus is the appointed mediator BETWEEN “God” and “mankind”.  That is what is meant by “a…[Read more]

BTW jammin,Kerwin, Gene and I were expecting a “Thank You!” for teaching you that God has had many messiahs – not just Jesus of Nazareth.