Quote (Lightenup @ May 04 2013,10:04)David, I notice that when you want to show that prokyneo doesn't necessarily mean worship you use the example of the mock worship. When those that were crucifying Jesus were bowing to Him, they were worshipping Him albeit in a mocking way.How about this one, Kathi:John 938 Then the man said, “Lord, I b…[Read more]

And this one:1 Samuel 9:16 NET“At this time tomorrow I will send to you a man from the land of Benjamin. You must consecrate him as a leader over my people Israel. He will save my people from the hand of the Philistines.

And this one, Abe:Nehemiah 9:27 King James Version Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.

Hi 2B,I'm following a lot of what you say, but does this world today really seem like a world without Satan? I can see his active signature all over the place. It doesn't seem to me as if he has already been bound.

Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,02:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2013,07:19)Kerwin, “Us” is in there.  It's just hidden from our English speaking eyes in the plural Hebrew verb.Mike,The same context would make Elohim plural.Kerwin,I just laid this out for 2B in this thread. Didn't you read what I told him?Let's say there is ONLY the Hebrew verb…[Read more]

I enjoyed that read, Kerwin. Among the many TRINITARIAN scholars who believe God was talking to His angels in Gen 1:26 was this quote from the NIV Study Bible:God speaks as the Creator-king, announcing His crowning work to the members of His heavenly court (see 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; I Kings 22:19-23; Job 15:8; Jeremiah 23:18).The NIV was…[Read more]

Thanks for the photo! You were really close to Harrison during that scene!Let me know about the Aramaic translator when you make contact with him.

Quote (2besee @ May 03 2013,17:01)Mike, this section is prophecy. Prophecy has nothing to do with the pre-exisence of Christ, but more the resurrected Christ.My bad. I was reading through some of the posts, and noticed some people were talking about who or what Jesus was before he was made flesh. So I put in my two cents.

Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,21:15)Hi Mike B.The name Jesus or Jeshua means a Saviour.It means “Yah is Salvation”.Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,21:15)Before his birth,he was (called) the word of God.Which scripture tells us that?Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,21:15)Notice also in revelation,he was given a name wich no man knows,but he…[Read more]

Too much in one post, Daniel…………. IMO.  It would take too long for me to read it, and even longer for me to respond to every point you attempted to make.Most of us here don't have that kind of time.   So while I appreciate the time and effort it took you to write that epic novel, you'll need to break it down into smaller pieces if you w…[Read more]

BTW, in that Wisdom quote you posted, I see many times where Jesus is distinguished as someone other than God, but no times where he is identified as God.(This was merely a comment. I really don't want to discuss a book that is not canon. Perhaps it should be, and perhaps some day I'll read it and find even more proofs that Jesus is not the God…[Read more]

Hi Daniel,Post ONE scripture at a time. We need to first discuss that ONE scripture, and see if it really DOES say Jesus is God Almighty, or if you are just reading that into it.Begin when you are ready.

Quote (jammin @ May 02 2013,16:56)i believe he is at God's right hand i believe he is the mediator between us and God but the question is who is that God you are referring to?jammin,You can't say “Who is that God you are referring to”, if there is only ONE of them.I refer to God Almighty. I refer to HIM (not THEM).Your doctrine is nonsense, and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 02 2013,18:57)It is the flesh nature I call the satan spirit…………So then this is just something YOU call “sinful flesh nature”?Okay. I thought there was maybe something in scripture about a “satan spirit”, to which you were alluding.

Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,19:51)SATAN CAN MATERIALISE ALSO;WHICH HE DID WHEN HE TEMPTED JESUS,AND TOOK HIM UP A MOUNTAIN.Hi Wakeup,For the most part, we are saying the same thing – with a few differences.You feel better thinking that the being who became Jesus was not “Jesus” until he was born of Mary.  But 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2, and Col 1:16 say…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ May 02 2013,18:59)Hi MikeWooh, 2Besse's going to really love you!I doubt it.  2B thinks Jesus began his existence when he was born of Mary.  I believe he was the firstborn of all creation – before the ages.Quote (journey42 @ May 02 2013,18:59)Christ ascended to his father just after he saw Mary and told her that he would meet w…[Read more]

Kerwin, “Us” is in there. It's just hidden from our English speaking eyes in the plural Hebrew verb.

Jesus was created as a spirit being – the first of God's works.  All other spirit sons of God (and everything else) were then created by God through God's firstborn Son.  (John 1:3, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)  Jesus was indeed existing in the form of God before emptying himself and being made in the likeness of a human being.  (Phil 2)  He was…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 02 2013,12:09)WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE ALTHOUGHTHE WORD GLORY(NAME) , IS SINGULAR!The point is that the verse I quoted speaks of the glory (singular) of the Father, the Son, and the holy angels.I'm trying my best to tell you that the fact the word “glory” is singular does NOT mean all three mentioned have the same…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 02 2013,13:49)Gene, Mike, Abe, and others,I believe Satan is the chief of the angels that walk according to the satan spirit.  We are instructed to resist him.  We also fight the satan spirit that is within us. In addition we fight the satan spirit that is in others.Can you show me a scripture that speaks of the “satan s…[Read more]