Quote (2besee @ May 04 2013,23:37)May I ask WHY you are continually quoting from “NETNOTES” and Trinitarian scholars? Everywhere I look are “NETNOTES” quotes.Why does it bother you so much?   2B, if and when you can ever SCRIPTURALLY refute something I've posted from NETNotes, then DO SO.  If you cannot refute what I've posted from them, then s…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 05 2013,16:52)No, this is not saying that Jesus is “a god”.  The judges were called “gods” to whom “the word of God came”.Okay, so the judges (plural) were called gods (plural).  What was only ONE judge called, Marty?Quote (942767 @ May 05 2013,16:52)And no, Jesus….was not claiming to be “a god”. Nor did the Jews think that h…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 06 2013,05:16)He gave us the Father words not “HIS” Words.So when Jesus asked God to let the cup pass from him, it was really the Father asking HIMSELF?   Oh, that's right………. YOU get to decide for us when Jesus spoke HIS OWN words, and when it was the Father talking through him from a microphone in heaven.…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ May 05 2013,19:33)Your turn to show me your proof of where jesus is an Angel and then compare the weight of evidence. I would appreciate this as I don't understand whats holding you back from accepting THE Son.Hi Daniel,I've already showed you these in the other thread, but here goes again:A.  Any spirit messenger of God is an…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 05 2013,23:20)Ok, your verse, if read in Greek would have e word proskyneo there.  Since we are trying to determine if Jesus was worshiped, it doesn't help just to quote a bible that translates the word as worship there.And this is the bottom line after all, isn't it?Kathi and Daniel, you will NEVER be able to make a case that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 05 2013,13:26)Mike,We are only told that the blind man worshiped Jesus and became His disciple. This got him kicked out of the synagogue by the Pharisees.We're not told the formerly blind man “worshiped” Jesus at all, Kathi. We are told that he bowed and did obeisance to the one he just found out was “the Son of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 05 2013,13:20)Mike,Isn't eternal salvation the ultimate salvation? Is Jehovah the only Savior of only a lessor salvation and Jesus the savior of the ultimate salvation? THINK.Back up, Kathi.  First of all, answer MY question.  When Jehovah said there is no savior besides Him, what was the context?  Was He talking about th…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 06 2013,15:46)Quote I would think that children can see that Jesus is worshiped easily. Yes, children who were taught this from birth and have bibles that translate proskyneo as “worship” of course can see this.  It's all they can see.  It's all they are allowed to see.I was thinking the same thing, David. What if the t…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 06 2013,01:02)GLORIFY YOUR SON,THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU!SO IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT THEY BOTH GLORIFIED EACH OTHERAnd? Aren't we all servants and heirs of our God, just like Jesus is? (Romans 8:17) And aren't we suppose to glorify our God in all of our actions, just like Jesus did? (1 Corinthians 10:31)I'm not…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 05 2013,17:07)Jesus said, “This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you”. And many here deny Jesus and by correcting us who speak this, they are correcting Jesus too and the Father who sent him. Do these people realise the gravity of the situation. I think not.Good point. I would not want to be…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 05 2013,01:41)MIke,IT IS ONLY THE REASON THAT YOU SIMPLY COMMITTED YOURSELF THAT :1. THE WORD IS NOT GOD!2. THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH BUT NOT GOD IN FLESH3. THE WORD IS JESUS CHRIST, BUT NOT GOD/MANYeah Charles, But the reason I've committed myself to these things is because they are the things taught in the scriptures.1.…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 05 2013,16:00)This is what Stong's condordance states relative to the word “ascend”:Quote Number 305Transliteration:anabaino {an-ab-ah'-ee-no} Word Origin:from 303 and the base of 939TDNT:1:519,90Part of Speech:verbUsage in the KJV:go up 37, come up 10, ascend 10, ascend up 8, climb up 2, spring up 2, grow up 2, come 2, enter…[Read more]

Well good, 2B. Because Satan IS a being. Now, how do you suggest we go about explaining that to your friend, Gene?As for the rest, I already answered you that the NET scholars help me ALOT. Tell me 2B, how did you learn to read? Did the Spirit teach you to read and write? Or did you learn those things from MEN?If you learned how to read the…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ May 04 2013,12:53)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 04 2013,07:18)To All……….God was not speaking to his angles at all, they have no creative ability, but he was speaking to the SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD which are before the Throne of The LORD “YAHWEH” who is our God, he used those SEVEN SPIRITS to create all his creation. Jesus is not the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 04 2013,14:06)Mike,I believe Elohim was all the heavenly host, including Jehovah.So you believe it should go like this:And all the heavenly hosts said, “Let us make man in our image and our likeness.” And then all the heavenly hosts proceeded to make man in their image.

Quote (2besee @ May 04 2013,21:30)“NET” is the teaching of men added onto scripture.Is it really helping you?Absolutely and positively, 2B.Did YOU know the things I just posted from NETNotes?  Do you even care about those things?  Or are you happy just accepting the Trinitarian-translated English version of the scriptures?Perhaps instead of s…[Read more]

Before we continue trying to decipher Paul's sometimes poetic wording, let's get to the bottom of this:Do we all agree that “Satan” is a real, live, spirit BEING – an angel of Jehovah who rebelled against his God and Creator?According to the clear testimony of scripture, Satan and his demons are actual BEINGS.  They have minds and wills of their…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 04 2013,08:18)Abe……….Thanks, maybe that will “enlighten” brother Mike.Ephesians 2:2 NETin which you formerly lived according to this world’s present path, according to the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the ruler of the spirit 8 that is now energizing 9 the sons of disobedience,Footnote #8 says:The ruler of t…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 04 2013,01:06)John 14:1  LET not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, (not Yahweh)BELIEVE ALSO IN ME BELIEVING ONLY IN GOD, IS USELESS!CALL ONTO GOD ONLY IS USELESS!It is amazing to me how, in the process of trying to convince us that Jesus IS God, Trinitarians often use wording that clearly distinguishes Jesus as…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 04 2013,18:00)How many saviors can you find that are saviors of our sin?? Do you think that might be what Jehovah means by stating that He is our only Savior?Well, was Jehovah talking about saving the nation of Israel “from their sins” when He said He was their only savior?Or was He referring to all the times He saved them…[Read more]