Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2013,23:04)Mike,1. Does a man's flesh enter his mother's womb again in order to be born again and so enter the kingdom of heaven?2. Does a man's spirit enter water in order to be born again in order to enter the kingdom of heaven?1. You ask the same thing Nicodemus asked………. the thing Jesus scoffed at him for…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,22:23)Is the word 'Almighty' in the original manuscripts? Yes or no?Is the word 'Father' in the original manuscripts? Yes or no?If not, then theos could refer to the only begotten theos as it seems to in John 1:1c.Kathi,Let's take a little stroll down Hebrews 9 for a second………..14 How much more, then, will the…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ May 23 2013,21:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 23 2013,19:00)Quote (abe @ May 23 2013,20:56)Hi All,1Tim.2:5   For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,the    MAN    Christ Jesus,Peace brothers…Post the rest of the statement, Abe.  Then we can discuss it.Hi Mike,1Tim.2:5   For there is one Go…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2013,15:57)1Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father……….. ……the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.The words seem clear enough to me, Kathi. K…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2013,00:42)Yes, God the Father and the only begotten God do not have a body, much less blood, as bodies are created.What? Kathi, you don't believe Jesus has a body in heaven right now? Read Phil 3:21.Also, I never knew that you think God doesn't have a body. Interesting.

Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2013,00:51)I don't know where it is used of Isaiah or Phillip.From the site I linked for you:Another interesting use of “marya” is found in John 12:20-21 of the Sinaitic Palimpsest or Syriac Sinatic manuscript. Below is Murdock’s translation with the palimpsest’s use of “marya”.John 12:20-21 – And there were also among…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 18 2013,23:23)kerwinJesus is theos in nature just as His Father is. Heb 1:3Is “theos” a nature?I believe Jesus has a spirit nature, just like his God who brought him forth into existence. And naturally, all of God's other spirit sons also share His spirit nature.But “theos” is not a nature, Kathi. It is a title meaning…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2013,20:38)That is not even a legitimate argument anymore as you now know that Paul was not even sure whether a man journeyed to the third heaven in body or out of body by the second letter to the Corinthians.Kerwin,There is much we can discuss about Paul's statement in 2 Corinthians…….. and I'll be happy to do so IF and…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ May 23 2013,20:56)Hi All,1Tim.2:5   For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,the    MAN    Christ Jesus,Peace brothers…Post the rest of the statement, Abe. Then we can discuss it.

Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,13:56)You agree that Christ is the mighty theos at the right hand of the Father.So, it is scripturally correct to say the Church of Christ is the Church of the theos at the right hand of the Father. Therefore the Church of the theos which He purchased with His own blood, could refer to Jesus and be grammatically…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ May 23 2013,00:51)The true Son comes from the Father…………Daniel,How can you say the above words, but then insist Jesus has existed as long as his Father and God?

Hi Daniel,Let me say that I like you.  You seem to be a very nice man who wants only to know God as well as humanly possible.But I cannot carry on a discussion of this magnitude.  Until you set up our one-on-one debate thread, I will just pick any one or two points out of your posts, and address only them.I fear that even doing that, nothing w…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 22 2013,21:47)Jesus is not one of those of whom God said “Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”So Jesus is NOT a minster, then?Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.Guess again.Also, read the description of the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 22 2013,21:47)When the account of creation states creatures reproduce after their own kind then you comprehend what kind means. So I don't see why trouble understanding what I mean when I say messenger kind.Kerwin,In my last two, time-consuming posts I wrote to you, I listed many, many things that:1. Showed certain phrases…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ May 21 2013,19:25)Yes i understand that most people believe that proverbs speaks of Jesus and I originally thought so……… I wonder what changed your mind from your original instinct about that passage, Daniel.  Surely it wasn't the thought that IF the wisdom in that passage WAS Jesus, then the passage clearly speaks about…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,20:32)Mike,Jesus is not placed into the group of messenger kind. Hi Kerwin,Where in the scriptures can I read about this “messenger KIND”?  As far as I know, all the angels are spirit sons of God.  Jesus is also one of those.  In fact, he was the firstborn.Quote (kerwin @ May 21 2013,20:32)The answer to which member of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2013,13:34)Mike,Regarding Acts 20: 28, why do you have a problem with the verse as I posted it? You agree that the only begotten theos is the head of the church and He obtained it with His own blood, right?Because Kathi, when it is called “the Church of Christ”, it is referring to God's anointed servant, Jesus Christ.When…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2013,01:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2013,00:02)Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,12:22)T8,The book of Hebrews calls the members of the host of heaven, with the exception of God,  the Messenger kind.  It makes clear Jesus is not one of them.Show me, Kerwin.Mike,I am of the opinion you should already know as it is laid out c…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2013,00:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2013,13:03)Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2013,00:00)Mike,Do you believe that the theos of John 1:1b sent the theos of John 1:1c to earth to die at the hands of men?Yes or NoYes.Mike,Thanks for your answer.So you do believe that a mighty theos who existed before creation, died at the hands…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,17:00)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 22 2013,01:09)If Jesus is God , why did he say, ” I am going to You Father and My Father , YOUR GOD ” AND” MY GOD”. Seems your GOD Jesus has a GOD.there is nothing if Christ says that the father is his GOD.christ did not say im not GOD.No jammin,Christ never said the words, “I am not…[Read more]