Quote (4Thomas @ May 30 2013,07:16)Mike I'm trying to lead you to Jesus……….I already have the Jesus of the scriptures, Daniel. My Jesus is the Son, Servant, Messiah, Prophet, Lamb, and Priest OF his and our God, Jehovah.I want to show you that Jesus of the scriptures – if you are willing.But as for this angel discussion, do you agree that…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ May 30 2013,07:16)Exodus 13:21 By day the LORD went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night.It doesn't get any clearer than that!Hi Daniel,Are you aware that YHWH put His name in the angel that went ahead of the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2013,18:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2013,15:21)Quote (kerwin @ May 29 2013,16:51)T,You claim angels do marry and are given in marriage while Jesus infers they neither marry or are given in marriage.What Pierre and the scriptures teach is that angels took human woman for themselves and produced children with them.That does NOT…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2013,13:19)Mike,you said:Quote I've never claimed anything different than that, Kathi.  The Most High God created all things through His Holy Servant Jesus Christ, who is also a god (“mighty one”).But only ONE is the Most High God.  And only ONE created all things.Did you have a son through your son's mother?If yes, do y…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2013,13:13)Don't pretend that you are qualified to teach Greek, Mike.My goodness, Kathi.  Stubborn much?  You can read in any interlinear that the Greek words are EXACTLY:  with the blood of his own.  The Greek words are NOT:  with the blood of himself.You can read it word for word on Biblos.com.  You can read it word…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ May 31 2013,12:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2013,19:36)Quote (abe @ May 30 2013,21:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,16:48)Abe,I'm still waiting.  In YOUR OWN words, tell me what it means that Paul said he didn't receive his gospel from any man, but instead from Jesus Christ.Hi Mike,1Tim.2:5   For there is one God, and one m…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 31 2013,12:35)You seem to believe that God created angels to reproduce but then did not give the fertile males companions and banned them from reproducing.According to Enoch, God gave men wives so offspring could be born of them and their line could continue.And God said that since He made angels immortal from the beginning, He…[Read more]

You know, I always assumed Jesus was talking about the future prophecies of the OT that spoke about him. But there could be more to it. Perhaps Jesus was mentioned as an angel of Jehovah in certain OT scriptures, and his words to the Pharisees also alluded to those times. Could be.

Quote (carmel @ May 31 2013,09:57)ONCE THE FATHER EXISTED HE INCORPORATED HIS SON AS WELL IN THE SAME INSTANT!The day God begot His firstborn Son Jesus Christ is the day He became a Father.Before that time, there was only God. Jesus was created as the first of God's works. He is the firstborn of every creature. He is the beginning of the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 30 2013,20:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,07:28)But what about this verse:Hebrews 11  In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son……..Does the fact that God was said to have spoken to us through His Son “in these last…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 30 2013,00:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2013,12:38)Some already do, Charles.  Jesus and his spirit brothers are creatures that can see their God right now.NO MIKE, YOU ARE WRONG!NO ONE WILL EVER SEE THE FATHER SINCE HE IS  SPIRIT!Matthew 18:10See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2013,17:51)Gene. God is a spirit.And it is possible that spirits have the ability to take on form.I think spirit beings always have a form, t8.But at any rate, Paul certainly says Jesus was existing in the FORM of God before being made into a human being, right?That's good enough for me.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 31 2013,17:42)And Jesus said “flesh “and” blood” could not enter into the kingdom of GOD, he didn't say flesh and bone, could not enter heaven now did he?Hi Gene,I wasn't being hard on Kerwin……. this time! I was just showing him scripture and logic to support my own point in this matter – while simultaneously…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ May 30 2013,21:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,16:48)Abe,I'm still waiting.  In YOUR OWN words, tell me what it means that Paul said he didn't receive his gospel from any man, but instead from Jesus Christ.Hi Mike,1Tim.2:5   For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; the  *MAN*  Christ Jes…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ May 30 2013,07:30)please see the debate section I have replied to you.Hi Daniel,I'll just focus on our private thread for now, and let our current discussion in this thread fade away. My hope is that every single reason you have for believing Jesus is God Almighty will eventually be discussed in the private thread…… along…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 30 2013,12:13)The NET notes include two possibilities, not just the one you wrote. Are you trying to be deceptive?Here is what NET says:Quote 114 tn Or “with his own blood”; Grk “with the blood of his own.” The genitive construction could be taken in two ways: (1) as an attributive genitive (second attributive positio…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 30 2013,05:13)Mike,1. You seem to be claiming that fallen angels can marry or be given in marriage.2. Marriage is a sin for the angel kind.3. Angels are made to reproduce but are forbidden to do so.4. Humans will be able to reproduce but banned from doing so.5. God will abolish the marriages that are in force.Kerwin,1.…[Read more]

jb? Are you interested in having a scriptural discussion about the pre-existence of Jesus?

I have tried to engage my son's pastor in a personal discussion about this, and he refused.  I have also sent many e-mails about it, but they go unanswered.And I don't need you to put your spin on things, Kathi.  The fact that Gill, or your pastor, or the scholars you often quote think that “God the Son” is also named “Jehovah” does NOT equate t…[Read more]

The Lord God was in heaven creating man in His image. Now please DIRECTLY answer my questions from the last post.