t8, here is the debate thread.

Quote (t8 @ June 10 2013,23:53)And my points still stand. Judas is not a devil literally but in a qualitative sense.Read:diabolos Definition: 1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely   1a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,2) metaphorically applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ June 10 2013,22:27)“Yet for US”This nullifies many gods.Nullifies many “gods”? Or nullifies many “scriptures”?Does Jesus saying “only God is good” nullify Jesus' claim that he is “the good shepherd”? YES or NO?Abe, who are the gods in Psalm 8:5 – the ones Jehovah made man a little lower than?

Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,17:36)Quote (carmel @ June 12 2013,02:48)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2013,02:09)Quote   Jesus is not the “ONLY SON of God as you people assume he is   John 3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven.Gene,The above scripture is clear:NO MAN HAD A…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,13:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,06:51)The Word who became flesh and dwelled on earth – the one John the Baptist came to testify about – IS a person.  In fact, he wears sandals.Mike,At the moment I lack the time to answer this post but it inspires me to ask “did Jesus come in the flesh and live among us when the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2013,13:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,06:45)Quote (kerwin @ June 09 2013,22:54)There is only one by whom God reveals all things and that one it the SpiritReally?  Where can I read that claim in scripture, Kerwin?Mike,1 Corinthians 2:10King James Version (KJV)10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2013,09:09)I am not sitting on the out side………..Hi Gene,I was talking about me sitting on the outside, looking in. I can see things clearly from here. From here, I don't have the misfortune of not being able to see the forest for the trees. That's what I meant.

Quote (4Thomas @ June 10 2013,19:35)Without an eternal Son you can’t have an eternal Father……Huh? You just said Jesus WASN'T the Son in the beginning. Now you're saying he was the “eternal Son”. Which is it?

Quote (4Thomas @ June 10 2013,19:35)Mike only when you come to the understanding that God was ***ALONE***when he made the universe and heavens will you grasp this scriptural truth. Mike there was NO ONE beside him.Please list the scripture, and I'll address that ONE point tomorrow.

Quote (4Thomas @ June 10 2013,19:35)Question:  Was Jesus already God's SON when God made the universe through him?  YES or NO? NOSo when exactly do you think “God Almighty the Son” changed from being “God Almighty the Son” and became “the Son OF God Almighty”? (Please show scriptures that support your claim that someone who WAS God Most High b…[Read more]

Well good. Then ask the spirit before you give your DIRECT answers.

Quote (2besee @ June 10 2013,19:28)You discount my points as non answers to your questions……2B,You wrote a novel explaining how you understand things and why. By contrast, I listed a couple of CLEAR scriptures and asked you very simple questions about them.You saying, So yes, it is a fact that there are those who are called gods.. and some…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 10 2013,11:15)I don't need to force anything Mike. He who has the eyes to see, can see it.In this case, he who has vivid imagination can see it. Jesus has the title “Jehovah is our Righteousness”, just like Israel does. To read anything else into it is simply wishful thinking.Jeremiah 23:6 NET © Under his rule Judah will…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 10 2013,11:15)Mike,Thank you for again inadvertently admitting that the Bible does not say the blood of His own “Son.”I never said it did say “son”, Kathi. I've only claimed the truth that it says “the blood of his own”. The NET translation I posted earlier adds the word “son” to the text, because they assume the thing…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2013,18:22)T,The last I knew animals were part of the creation.So are rocks and asteroids. Do you suppose Paul intended for us to think rocks and asteroids have been groaning, waiting in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed?I also assume, like Pierre, that Paul is talking about human beings in that…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2013,05:10)When God created the world there was no death in it except for shed cells and parts of plants. The only way death could enter the world is by mankind eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and subjecting his body, as well as the rest of creation to corruption.The first sentence is just an empty…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2013,05:12)Mike,I already speculated on the second question saying that when mankind matured he would be free to eat of both treesAnd WHY would man need to eat of the tree of life, seeing that he was already immortal? Kerwin, your mind is just not working as good as it used to.

Kerwin,In the last two to three years, I've sadly watched you go from a student seriously searching for truth to a man that just makes up his own truth as he goes – when the scriptural truth doesn't suit him.  There are SO MANY scriptures that say God dwells in heaven (not “heaven dwells in God”).  There are many that say God looks upon us h…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 10 2013,17:38)Kerwin…..> Thanks, let see if Mike will come on board with this.No Gene.  Thanks for the invite, but until you show me the scripture that calls God's Holy Spirit His “son”, I'm going to beg off.You do realize that this “Holy Spirit Son of God” thing only came about on this thread because 2B and Kerwin…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2013,11:27)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 10 2013,20:43)MIke………Your stalled in thinking that we are saying that the Spirt is a different person, The Spirit that produces a Son of God is the Holy Spirit of GOd so in that “SENSE” it can be said to be the SON of GOD because it is the “SEED” of GOD it is that  Spirit…[Read more]